NPs sue to use "Doctor" title
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@George-K said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
DeSantis vetoed the bill which would have prevented Nurse PhDs from calling themselves Dr.
@Jon googling around, I can't find the reasoning behind DeSantis' thinking.
A possibility is here, from the optometrists:
For months, optometry has been vigorously fighting to push back against SB 230, a Florida bill threatening to ban ODs from using the titles “doctor” and “physician” and subjecting them to a felony prosecution for doing so. Earlier today, optometrists and advocates finally saw the fruits of their labor when Governor Ron DeSantis vetoed the harmful legislation.
A felony?
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More:
The original bill, SB 230, proposed that while other medical specialists with similar four-year post-graduate degrees, such as dentists, chiropractors and podiatrists, would still be able to identify themselves using these terms, optometrists would not be allowed due to the exclusion of the terms from the state’s optometric practice act.
I haven't seen anything about NPs or APNs in the context of the veto.
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So Klaus, what do your students in Germany call you in the classroom? Herr Doktor, Herr Professor? Or maybe by now it's just "hey dude" or the more casual "yo?"
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@Klaus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
Usually it's just a straight "a**hole". I insist on them using xe/xer pronouns, though.
“Straight a**hole” and xe/xer pronouns are kind of contradictory ideas…
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So Klaus, what do your students in Germany call you in the classroom? Herr Doktor, Herr Professor? Or maybe by now it's just "hey dude" or the more casual "yo?"
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@Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
@Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
@Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
Hell to the no.
"Right to work."
Everybody has a right to work. Nobody has a right to lie.
Right to work whatever job you choose.
@Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
@Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
@Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
@Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
Hell to the no.
"Right to work."
Everybody has a right to work. Nobody has a right to lie.
Right to work whatever job you choose.
Good. Then if you want to be a doctor, hie thy ass to medical school. Provideth thy ass could get in, which for 90% (IMO) of them, couldn't.
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So Klaus, what do your students in Germany call you in the classroom? Herr Doktor, Herr Professor? Or maybe by now it's just "hey dude" or the more casual "yo?"
@Rainman said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
So Klaus, what do your students in Germany call you in the classroom? Herr Doktor, Herr Professor? Or maybe by now it's just "hey dude" or the more casual "yo?"
For the select few, I think they just scream "Stud!"
in German, of course...
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Sort of related....
The American College of Cardiology (ACC) has announced its 2024-2025 officers and trustees, including the group’s next president and vice president.
Cathleen Dalton Biga, MSN, RN, president and CEO of Cardiovascular Management of Illinois, will serve as ACC president in 2024-2025 after serving as the group’s vice president in 2023-2024. Biga has more than 40 years of healthcare experience, working as a registered nurse, service line director, vice president and CEO. At Cardiovascular Management of Illinois, she works with more than 100 separate cardiology practices throughout the Chicago area.
Cardiologist Christopher Kramer, MD, chief of cardiovascular medicine with UVA Health, will serve as ACC Vice President in 2024-2025. Kramer, a cardiac imaging specialist, has authored nearly 200 peer-reviewed publications, more than 100 book chapters and three books focused on cardiovascular health over the course of his career. He previously served as president of the Society for Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance.
I met Biga about 20 years ago. She was the CEO of our place for about a year (there was a revolving door).
After I was introduced, she said, "So, you pass gas for a living?"
I responded, "Yeah, and sometimes I put people to sleep too."
She didn't find it amusing.
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Outcomes of Hematuria Evaluation by Advanced Practice Providers and Urologists
We identified 59,923 patients who were initially evaluated for hematuria. Visits with urologic nurse practitioners rather than urologists were associated with significantly lower odds of receiving cystoscopy procedures , imaging studies, and bladder biopsy procedures. Visits with urologic physician assistants were associated with 11% greater out-of-pocket payments and 14% greater total payments.
Large number of patients. Unfortunately, the fact that NP's cost more (to the patient) and ordered/peformed fewer tests and procedures is not mentioned as related to outcomes.
You can bet your ass that if I start peeing blood, and it's not an infection, I want someone taking a look.
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I’m sorry, but nursing is starting to come across as very similar to teaching. Yes, there are dedicated professionals out there that truly make a great and positive difference in patients/students care. There are also a great majority that are clock punchers. That want the social approbation that goes with their chosen career but don’t truly have the welfare of those in their care at the center of their career. In and amongst that group is a minority that Carrie’s power. One that wants to elevate their standing. That wants an undue amount of credit and irresponsible levels of responsibility without the appropriate study, work, and accreditation necessary. They also want to bury anybody in their path. These are the Doctors of Nursing (or Education, for that matter) that insist upon being called Doctor. They push for greater responsibility beyond their capacity or what is appropriate. It’s very similar…
Reading a couple of nursing forums where the CRNA’s rail against CAA programs and positions has been quite enlightening.
The Brad
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I’m sorry, but nursing is starting to come across as very similar to teaching. Yes, there are dedicated professionals out there that truly make a great and positive difference in patients/students care. There are also a great majority that are clock punchers. That want the social approbation that goes with their chosen career but don’t truly have the welfare of those in their care at the center of their career. In and amongst that group is a minority that Carrie’s power. One that wants to elevate their standing. That wants an undue amount of credit and irresponsible levels of responsibility without the appropriate study, work, and accreditation necessary. They also want to bury anybody in their path. These are the Doctors of Nursing (or Education, for that matter) that insist upon being called Doctor. They push for greater responsibility beyond their capacity or what is appropriate. It’s very similar…
Reading a couple of nursing forums where the CRNA’s rail against CAA programs and positions has been quite enlightening.
@LuFins-Dad said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
Reading a couple of nursing forums where the CRNA’s rail against CAA programs and positions has been quite enlightening.
It's all about knowing how to "stay in your lane."
Just because my license says "Physician and Surgeon" doesn't mean that I'm qualified to do open-heart surgery, or even treat obscure infectious diseases.
But, if you need an airway, I'm your man.
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@LuFins-Dad said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
Reading a couple of nursing forums where the CRNA’s rail against CAA programs and positions has been quite enlightening.
It's all about knowing how to "stay in your lane."
Just because my license says "Physician and Surgeon" doesn't mean that I'm qualified to do open-heart surgery, or even treat obscure infectious diseases.
But, if you need an airway, I'm your man.
@George-K said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
@LuFins-Dad said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
Reading a couple of nursing forums where the CRNA’s rail against CAA programs and positions has been quite enlightening.
It's all about knowing how to "stay in your lane."
Just because my license says "Physician and Surgeon" doesn't mean that I'm qualified to do open-heart surgery, or even treat obscure infectious diseases.
But, if you need an airway, I'm your man.
Or, if you’re qualified to talk to a student about what educational paths can help them find their preferred career, and passing out brochures on various scholarship opportunities may not make you the best person to help a child decide on whether they should be a boy instead of a girl and giving them chest binders while keeping it secret from their parents…
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@George-K said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
@LuFins-Dad said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
Reading a couple of nursing forums where the CRNA’s rail against CAA programs and positions has been quite enlightening.
It's all about knowing how to "stay in your lane."
Just because my license says "Physician and Surgeon" doesn't mean that I'm qualified to do open-heart surgery, or even treat obscure infectious diseases.
But, if you need an airway, I'm your man.
Or, if you’re qualified to talk to a student about what educational paths can help them find their preferred career, and passing out brochures on various scholarship opportunities may not make you the best person to help a child decide on whether they should be a boy instead of a girl and giving them chest binders while keeping it secret from their parents…
@LuFins-Dad said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
help a child decide on whether they should be a boy instead of a girl and giving them chest binders
Well, yeah. There is that, of course.
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George has illustrated exactly why we have specialties. My GP is a highly skilled physician, but he doesn’t interpret imaging of any sort. This NP stuff is nuts.
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George has illustrated exactly why we have specialties. My GP is a highly skilled physician, but he doesn’t interpret imaging of any sort. This NP stuff is nuts.
@Mik said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:
he doesn’t interpret imaging of any sort
Read post #31 - the doc says he relies on the expert for interpretation.
I can spot a pneumothorax as well as
anyonemost docs. But, guaranteed, I'll miss the subtleties. And missing subtleties is what frequently kills people.
