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What's going on in Russia?

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on last edited by
    #70

    What about the Russian troops that supposedly joined Wagners column?

    The Brad

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    • RenaudaR Renauda

      Am sure he’ll be quite safe from the Kremlin and FSB in Belarus.

      MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #71

      @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

      Am sure he’ll be quite safe from the Kremlin and FSB in Belarus.

      It’s hard to fathom why he agreed to this. If you shoot at the king….,

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Mik

        @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

        Am sure he’ll be quite safe from the Kremlin and FSB in Belarus.

        It’s hard to fathom why he agreed to this. If you shoot at the king….,

        RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #72

        @Mik

        They made him an offer he couldn’ t refuse after they made clear to him what was going to happen to his immediate family members, the Wagner officer corps and the majority of his troops if he didn’t.

        He knows very well that some day they will come for him anyway. He is a dead man either way.

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Mik

          @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

          Am sure he’ll be quite safe from the Kremlin and FSB in Belarus.

          It’s hard to fathom why he agreed to this. If you shoot at the king….,

          George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #73

          @Mik said in What's going on in Russia?:

          It’s hard to fathom why he agreed to this.

          Probably safe to assume that there was a lot going on that we may never know the extent of.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • CopperC Copper

            Follow Mr. Putin's plane here:

            https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-96022

            or here:

            https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=157716

            89th8 Offline
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            #74

            @Copper said in What's going on in Russia?:

            Follow Mr. Putin's plane here:

            https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-96022

            Flightradar24 is great btw. The app also has augmented reality and also 3D view of planes as they fly. Amazing stuff, and the playback is great. For example you can see Putin’s plane as it returns to Moscow, it had a near steady drop from 24,000 to landing without a change in descent angle, probably to avoid any level flying and being shot at.

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            • MikM Offline
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              #75

              Why Prigozhin's rebellion failed.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-prigozhin-s-short-lived-russian-rebellion-failed/ar-AA1d3cm4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c88615de214b471485e2fbad0125f2e8&ei=14

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
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                #76

                They're building a camp for 8000 Wagner troops in Belarus, 200 klicks from the Ukraine border.

                Things that make you go hmmmm....

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  They're building a camp for 8000 Wagner troops in Belarus, 200 klicks from the Ukraine border.

                  Things that make you go hmmmm....

                  RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #77

                  @Jolly

                  Maybe, maybe not:

                  https://kyivindependent.com/ukraines-border-service-refutes-claims-on-belarus-wagner-camps/

                  Elbows up!

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                  • Darth PutinD Offline
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                    Darth Putin
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                    #78

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                    • TheDevilHimselfT Offline
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                      TheDevilHimself
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                      #79

                      I have a place all warmed up for you, Darth. Come on down.

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                      • TheDevilHimselfT TheDevilHimself

                        I have a place all warmed up for you, Darth. Come on down.

                        George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        #80

                        @TheDevilHimself said in What's going on in Russia?:

                        I have a place all warmed up for you, Darth. Come on down.

                        LOL.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #81

                          Mayhem in Moscow:

                          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/28/we-were-called-in-for-a-meeting-and-handed-weapons-how-the-russian-elites-survived-the-prigozhin-rebellion-a81682

                          Elbows up!

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
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                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #83

                              Am sure there will be others to follow:

                              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/28/russian-general-arrested-following-wagner-mutiny-mt-russian-a81685

                              Elbows up!

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #84

                                It’s getting even murkier…

                                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/29/who-was-prigozhin-counting-on-to-back-his-failed-mutiny-a81665

                                Elbows up!

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
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                                  The Wagner 'Coup' Was Staged by Putin

                                  By now, everyone has heard about the narrowly avoided coup in Russia: Last Friday night, Yevgeniy Prigozhin, one of Putin's most trusted allies and the commander of the notorious Russian mercinary Wagner Group, marched on Moscow in an apparent coup d'etat, only to come to a swift agreement with Vladimir Putin and decamp for Belarus. While most commentators acknowledged that things didn't quite add up, the "expert" class happily concluded that at least it had weakened Putin in his war against Ukraine.

                                  None seemed to realize the obvious truth: The coup was staged, and completely faked false flag operation.

                                  Think about it: An army invades Russia, race right up to Moscow, and no one gets hurt? With just a few thousand men, it achieved what Hitler with almost a million men wasn't able to? And Putin holds his military back? And then, with Moscow supposedly within his grasp, Prigozhin decides, "Oh well, never mind" and heads to Belarus?

                                  Prigozhin would have had to be an idiot or suicidal to think that with 8,000 men he could invade Moscow. Yet Prigozhin is very smart man, a juvenile delinquent turned convict, then hot dog salesman, then CEO of a multi-million dollar catering business serving the Kremlin, to finally commander of the world's most formidable mercenary force. It is utterly implausible that Prigozhin thought that he could take on Rosgvardia, Russia's National Guard, a 340,000-strong domestic security force reporting directly Putin.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • MikM Offline
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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #86

                                    for what purpose?

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                      #87

                                      Last weekend, given the bizarreness of the events that unfolded and were magically resolved, the idea that the mutiny might have been staged did occur to me. However by mid week last, I abandoned that notion. Putin and his inner circle reman firmly in control and Prigozhin is essentially paid off and put away safely in the fridge - at least for the time being. His personal military fiefdom is being broken up and redeployed as deemed necessary. Putin will now work to take some tarnish off his up until now, carefully cultivated domestic image.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        Renauda
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                                        #88

                                        At best, there might have been some passive support but it was tempered by lukewarm curiosity:

                                        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/03/russians-appeared-to-welcome-wagner-rebels-with-open-arms-the-truth-is-more-complex-a81716

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #89

                                          Lukashenko says Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

                                          The process of dismantling Prigozhin’s domestic image though has begun:

                                          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/06/russian-state-tv-broadcasts-prigozhin-estate-raid-claims-probe-into-mutiny-ongoing-a81748

                                          Elbows up!

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