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What's going on in Russia?

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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #75

    Why Prigozhin's rebellion failed.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-prigozhin-s-short-lived-russian-rebellion-failed/ar-AA1d3cm4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c88615de214b471485e2fbad0125f2e8&ei=14

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #76

      They're building a camp for 8000 Wagner troops in Belarus, 200 klicks from the Ukraine border.

      Things that make you go hmmmm....

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        They're building a camp for 8000 Wagner troops in Belarus, 200 klicks from the Ukraine border.

        Things that make you go hmmmm....

        RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #77

        @Jolly

        Maybe, maybe not:

        https://kyivindependent.com/ukraines-border-service-refutes-claims-on-belarus-wagner-camps/

        Elbows up!

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        • Darth PutinD Offline
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          Darth Putin
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          #78

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          • TheDevilHimselfT Offline
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            TheDevilHimself
            wrote on last edited by
            #79

            I have a place all warmed up for you, Darth. Come on down.

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            • TheDevilHimselfT TheDevilHimself

              I have a place all warmed up for you, Darth. Come on down.

              George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #80

              @TheDevilHimself said in What's going on in Russia?:

              I have a place all warmed up for you, Darth. Come on down.

              LOL.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by
                #81

                Mayhem in Moscow:

                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/28/we-were-called-in-for-a-meeting-and-handed-weapons-how-the-russian-elites-survived-the-prigozhin-rebellion-a81682

                Elbows up!

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #82

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #83

                    Am sure there will be others to follow:

                    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/28/russian-general-arrested-following-wagner-mutiny-mt-russian-a81685

                    Elbows up!

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #84

                      It’s getting even murkier…

                      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/29/who-was-prigozhin-counting-on-to-back-his-failed-mutiny-a81665

                      Elbows up!

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #85

                        The Wagner 'Coup' Was Staged by Putin

                        By now, everyone has heard about the narrowly avoided coup in Russia: Last Friday night, Yevgeniy Prigozhin, one of Putin's most trusted allies and the commander of the notorious Russian mercinary Wagner Group, marched on Moscow in an apparent coup d'etat, only to come to a swift agreement with Vladimir Putin and decamp for Belarus. While most commentators acknowledged that things didn't quite add up, the "expert" class happily concluded that at least it had weakened Putin in his war against Ukraine.

                        None seemed to realize the obvious truth: The coup was staged, and completely faked false flag operation.

                        Think about it: An army invades Russia, race right up to Moscow, and no one gets hurt? With just a few thousand men, it achieved what Hitler with almost a million men wasn't able to? And Putin holds his military back? And then, with Moscow supposedly within his grasp, Prigozhin decides, "Oh well, never mind" and heads to Belarus?

                        Prigozhin would have had to be an idiot or suicidal to think that with 8,000 men he could invade Moscow. Yet Prigozhin is very smart man, a juvenile delinquent turned convict, then hot dog salesman, then CEO of a multi-million dollar catering business serving the Kremlin, to finally commander of the world's most formidable mercenary force. It is utterly implausible that Prigozhin thought that he could take on Rosgvardia, Russia's National Guard, a 340,000-strong domestic security force reporting directly Putin.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #86

                          for what purpose?

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by Renauda
                            #87

                            Last weekend, given the bizarreness of the events that unfolded and were magically resolved, the idea that the mutiny might have been staged did occur to me. However by mid week last, I abandoned that notion. Putin and his inner circle reman firmly in control and Prigozhin is essentially paid off and put away safely in the fridge - at least for the time being. His personal military fiefdom is being broken up and redeployed as deemed necessary. Putin will now work to take some tarnish off his up until now, carefully cultivated domestic image.

                            Elbows up!

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #88

                              At best, there might have been some passive support but it was tempered by lukewarm curiosity:

                              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/03/russians-appeared-to-welcome-wagner-rebels-with-open-arms-the-truth-is-more-complex-a81716

                              Elbows up!

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                                Renauda
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                                #89

                                Lukashenko says Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

                                The process of dismantling Prigozhin’s domestic image though has begun:

                                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/06/russian-state-tv-broadcasts-prigozhin-estate-raid-claims-probe-into-mutiny-ongoing-a81748

                                Elbows up!

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                                • RenaudaR Renauda

                                  Lukashenko says Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

                                  The process of dismantling Prigozhin’s domestic image though has begun:

                                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/07/06/russian-state-tv-broadcasts-prigozhin-estate-raid-claims-probe-into-mutiny-ongoing-a81748

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #90

                                  @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

                                  Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

                                  Outside of a 14th story window?

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

                                    Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

                                    Outside of a 14th story window?

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                                    taiwan_girl
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #91

                                    @George-K 😂 😂

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

                                      Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

                                      Outside of a 14th story window?

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #92

                                      @George-K said in What's going on in Russia?:

                                      @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

                                      Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

                                      Outside of a 14th story window?

                                      I was thinking the tallest building in Moscow, The Lyubanka. As the Muscovites say, “from its basement you can see all the way to Siberia”.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        @George-K said in What's going on in Russia?:

                                        @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

                                        Prigozhin is not in Belarus but in Russia. Where in Russia is still unknown.

                                        Outside of a 14th story window?

                                        I was thinking the tallest building in Moscow, The Lyubanka. As the Muscovites say, “from its basement you can see all the way to Siberia”.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #93

                                        @Renauda said in What's going on in Russia?:

                                        As the Muscovites say, “from its basement you can see all the way to Siberia”.

                                        You owe me a cup of coffee...

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • MikM Away
                                          MikM Away
                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #94

                                          I find his analysis to be rather naive, but an interesting read.

                                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/putin-s-fall-could-be-the-domino-that-topples-the-world-s-autocrats/ar-AA1dzJ9C?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4d53b8465c2548d8b607a4fa0d2b1984&ei=12

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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