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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
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    The ocean is a noisy place.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      So if they heard the implosion at the time, why didn’t they say anything until yesterday?

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      @LuFins-Dad said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:

      So if they heard the implosion at the time, why didn’t they say anything until yesterday?

      My guess is, while it was consistent with an implosion sound, they couldn’t know for sure if that’s what it was, and didn’t want people to call off the search based on any statement they made.

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      • George KG George K

        THey're also blaming the implosion on repeated stress on the hull.

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        @George-K said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:

        THey're also blaming the implosion on repeated stress on the hull.

        I know nothing about undersea vehicles, but when we test for structural integrity under pressure there's a couple of things we do:

        1. Test a sample to considerably higher pressure than it's actually going to be subjected to - i.e. 1.5 times or 4 times the rated pressure

        2. We don't allow use of the prototype we've actually done the tests on in the field.

        It looks like what these guys did was test the safety of the submarine by actually just using the submarine, and since it was ok, they just carried on using it.

        William Kohnen, chairman of the Manned Underwater Vehicles Committee, has told the BBC that regulations for building submersible vessels were "written in blood".

        Yeah, these people just ignored all the data that was already out there. Also, they avoided having to comply with legislation by only operating in international waters. People should go to jail for this, except of course the guy making the decisions is dead.

        I was only joking

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          So if they heard the implosion at the time, why didn’t they say anything until yesterday?

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          @LuFins-Dad said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:

          So if they heard the implosion at the time, why didn’t they say anything until yesterday?

          To the public, maybe. I believe the Navy was coordinate with search and rescue efforts to narrow their search area.

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          • George KG Offline
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            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • MikM Offline
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              #113

              It was painless.

              So what happens when a submarine implodes?

              A sub descending to the depths of the wreckage of the Titanic is under enormous pressure from the water outside. If the submarine were to implode, the hull would be crushed at unimaginable speed.

              A former submarine expert explained what this might be like. Dave Corley, a retired Navy Captain, said: "When a submarine hull collapses, it moves inward at about 1,500 miles per hour - that's 2,200 feet per second.

              "A modern nuclear submarine's hull radius is about 20 feet. So the time required for complete collapse is 20 / 2,200 seconds = about 1 millisecond. A human brain responds instinctually to the stimulus at about 25 milliseconds. Human rational response is at best 150 milliseconds.

              "The air inside a sub has a fairly high concentration of hydrocarbon vapors. When the hull collapses it behaves like a very large piston on a very large Diesel engine. The air auto-ignites and an explosion follows the initial rapid implosion Sounds gruesome but as a submariner I always wished for a quick hull-collapse death over a lengthy one like some of the crew on Kursk endured."

              John Jones, a former member of the US Navy Submarine Force, added: "Implosion events occur within milliseconds, far too quickly for the human brain to comprehend."

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • George KG Offline
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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Somebody noted that at the depth we're talking about, if a diver's compressed air tank had a hole knocked in it, water would rush in rather than air rushing out.

                  Which kind of makes the lackadaisical attitude to safety even more shocking. It's like going to the moon and not worrying about safety.

                  I was only joking

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    They lost coms with the submersible, what, 90 minutes into the dive. I assume that that's when the catastrophe occurred. If it was 90 minutes into a 2 hour descent, I wonder how deep they were.

                    Deep enough to be fatal, of course.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      Navy said around 9,000 feet.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        Renauda
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                        #118

                        Not a big fan of James Cameron, but he makes some good points in this short interview:

                        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65994707

                        Elbows up!

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          Not a big fan of James Cameron, but he makes some good points in this short interview:

                          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65994707

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                          @Renauda said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:

                          Not a big fan of James Cameron, but he makes some good points in this short interview:

                          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65994707

                          He said that on Monday, when he heard the sub had gone missing, "I immediately got on the phone to some of my contacts in the deep submersible community.

                          So that's why I was getting so many busy signals.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            Ben Shapiro: "Hard to think of a better way to undermine institutional credibility than to spend days pretending that a submersible may be at the bottom of the ocean and that the entire world should hold its breath, while knowing for days the thing imploded."

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              I’ll repeat what I said earlier - they probably didn’t know with certainty.

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                              • JonJ Jon

                                I’ll repeat what I said earlier - they probably didn’t know with certainty.

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                                @Jon I'd agree. In all cases rescue efforts go the extra mile. Sometimes many extra miles, as evidenced by the four kids in the Amazon 40 days.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • bachophileB bachophile

                                  So now we know they were dead already on day 2, so what the hell was the rhythmic knocking heard after that….something else is down there playing drums….

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                                  @bachophile said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:

                                  what the hell was the rhythmic knocking heard after that

                                  Chinese man #1: How can we measure the US Navy's listening capability?

                                  Chinese man #2: Blow up a submersible and see if they hear it.
                                  Then go knock on the Titanic to see if they can hear that.

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                                  • JonJ Jon

                                    I’ll repeat what I said earlier - they probably didn’t know with certainty.

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                                    @Jon said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:

                                    I’ll repeat what I said earlier - they probably didn’t know with certainty.

                                    They knew with a high probability. That's why they didn't expedite the submersible from the UK that was ready to go. At first, the U.S. said "Hurry", then turned around in a short period and said, "Standard deployment".

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @Jon said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:

                                      I’ll repeat what I said earlier - they probably didn’t know with certainty.

                                      They knew with a high probability. That's why they didn't expedite the submersible from the UK that was ready to go. At first, the U.S. said "Hurry", then turned around in a short period and said, "Standard deployment".

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                                      @Jolly said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:

                                      @Jon said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:

                                      I’ll repeat what I said earlier - they probably didn’t know with certainty.

                                      They knew with a high probability. That's why they didn't expedite the submersible from the UK that was ready to go. At first, the U.S. said "Hurry", then turned around in a short period and said, "Standard deployment".

                                      I agree that they likely knew with high probability. All the same, there is controversy surrounding the offer to deploy the Megellan from the onset. Seems that there was never really any hurry to have it on site and when it was decided to bring it, other technical issues ensued.

                                      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-65982967

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • bachophileB bachophile

                                        So now we know they were dead already on day 2, so what the hell was the rhythmic knocking heard after that….something else is down there playing drums….

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                                        @bachophile said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:

                                        what the hell was the rhythmic knocking heard after that

                                        Skip to 6:50 for the answer

                                        1950s movie on the beach

                                        Link to video

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                                          I always imagined there were people rolling their eyes at the hope for a successful rescue. I didn't know some had more information than others, but I don't think more information was ever necessary to know they were irretrievably gone. There was never a plausible explanation other than catastrophe, and there was never a plausible hope of rescuing them from 12k down.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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