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  • MikM Offline
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    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #29

    I think reasonable people can have legitimate doubts about Reade's veracity. But that was also the case with Trump's accuser. The bias is evident if you compare case to case. Now if you factor in the number of women who have come forth to accuse each man and Trump's own statements, the possible bias lessens.

    I think both women are full of crap.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • JonJ Offline
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      Yeah it’s hard to rule out the idea that a powerful man made unwanted advances on women around him because it’s just so common. But it tends to be a pattern with the guys that do that. That’s why I’m more skeptical about, say, claims against Biden , Obama, or either of the Bushes but far less so with claims against Clinton or Trump.

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        @Horace

        I haven’t pretended not to get that point, In fact I’ve conceded it throughout. Maybe “elite culture is in the tank for the dems” would make more sense and not be so circular.

        But the phrase used here was “main stream media”. The media landscape is different and not nearly as lopsided. Cable media is bifurcated into partisan left and partisan right. The (by far) dominant network in the US is partisan right.

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        @Jon said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:

        @Horace

        I haven’t pretended not to get that point, In fact I’ve conceded it throughout. Maybe “elite culture is in the tank for the dems” would make more sense and not be so circular.

        But the phrase used here was “main stream media”. The media landscape is different and not nearly as lopsided. Cable media is bifurcated into partisan left and partisan right. The (by far) dominant network in the US is partisan right.

        I think you are artificially constraining your definition of "media". And even then your point is weak, since the right-leaning media, as you're defining the word, is concentrated, while left-leaning is spread through many companies, all of which, when consolidated, would outweigh Fox.

        When people use the word "MSM", they mean the weight of overall cultural messaging, especially of the unavoidable kind - such as schools and jobs. Anybody with a corporate job can watch people above them in the success hierarchy, with their public recitations of leftism that are obviously prerequisite to advancement. Leftism is baked into our culture, and it's grown roots. We are surrounded with its messaging, and with the notion that you better get on board, or get left behind. The existence of the totally ignorable and pre-marginalized partisan news sources for the right, does nothing to change that. I understand that when someone uses the term "MSM", you jump at the chance to prove them wrong by saying "fox". But a good faith interpretation of the meaning of MSM, would be "mainstream messaging". Not the pedantic "cable ratings of Fox vs CNN".

        Education is extremely important.

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          @George-K said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:

          @Doctor-Phibes said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:

          grotesquely sycophantic

          https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/24635/the-levin-trump-interview/5

          I've worked with people who act like that towards senior management. What's really disappointing is that it seems to work.

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          @Doctor-Phibes said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:

          @George-K said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:

          @Doctor-Phibes said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:

          grotesquely sycophantic

          https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/24635/the-levin-trump-interview/5

          I've worked with people who act like that towards senior management. What's really disappointing is that it seems to work.

          the CEO/owner of the company I work for was born into it. His father started the company, and the family owns most of the stock. A quarterly results company-wide meeting never passes without fawning over his leadership, from the Vice Presidents presenting. The CEO presents sometimes. I would put his speaking ability, and his ability to think on his feet during question and answer sessions, at the level of a moderately precious high school student.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            @Jon said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:

            @Horace

            I haven’t pretended not to get that point, In fact I’ve conceded it throughout. Maybe “elite culture is in the tank for the dems” would make more sense and not be so circular.

            But the phrase used here was “main stream media”. The media landscape is different and not nearly as lopsided. Cable media is bifurcated into partisan left and partisan right. The (by far) dominant network in the US is partisan right.

            I think you are artificially constraining your definition of "media". And even then your point is weak, since the right-leaning media, as you're defining the word, is concentrated, while left-leaning is spread through many companies, all of which, when consolidated, would outweigh Fox.

            When people use the word "MSM", they mean the weight of overall cultural messaging, especially of the unavoidable kind - such as schools and jobs. Anybody with a corporate job can watch people above them in the success hierarchy, with their public recitations of leftism that are obviously prerequisite to advancement. Leftism is baked into our culture, and it's grown roots. We are surrounded with its messaging, and with the notion that you better get on board, or get left behind. The existence of the totally ignorable and pre-marginalized partisan news sources for the right, does nothing to change that. I understand that when someone uses the term "MSM", you jump at the chance to prove them wrong by saying "fox". But a good faith interpretation of the meaning of MSM, would be "mainstream messaging". Not the pedantic "cable ratings of Fox vs CNN".

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            Jon
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            #33

            @Horace That’s a rather in-depth way to explain the circularity of the charge.

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            • JonJ Jon

              @Horace That’s a rather in-depth way to explain the circularity of the charge.

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              Horace
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              #34

              @Jon said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:

              @Horace That’s a rather in-depth way to explain the circularity of the charge.

              I bet you couldn't put my post into your own words. The circularity is a function of your constrained definition of "MSM", which you take to mean "cable news".

              Education is extremely important.

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                #35

                And then the cow began to moo:

                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/31/woman-who-accused-biden-of-assault-asks-for-russian-citizenship-a81351

                Elbows up!

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  And then the cow began to moo:

                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/31/woman-who-accused-biden-of-assault-asks-for-russian-citizenship-a81351

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                  #36

                  @Renauda

                  However, she said, "When I got off the plane in Moscow, for the first time in a very long time I felt safe, and I felt heard and felt respected."

                  Posted without comment

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                    #37

                    Maybe this is the start of a mass conservative migration to go and live in Russia, the great defender of Christian virtue and press freedom.

                    I was only joking

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                      Jon
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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        #39

                        Jesus...

                        Did Kelly push back?

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          Jesus...

                          Did Kelly push back?

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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #40

                          @George-K said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:

                          Jesus...

                          Did Kelly push back?

                          In my fantasies she always does.

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