60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow
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So the complaint is “left leaning media dominates”? Or maybe more precisely “dominant media is left wing!” How can that be true in a world where Fox is #1?
@Jon said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
So the complaint is “left leaning media dominates”? Or maybe more precisely “dominant media is left wing!” How can that be true in a world where Fox is #1?
In other contexts, you're happy to admit that, for instance, 40 year olds aren't turning conservative like previous generations did. In other contexts, you're happy to admit that fox caters to old people who have little to no bearing on the culture that matters to those who are working within it. You are choosing selective ignorance here to pretend you have some sort of good point.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
It's a truism that corporate news outlets will exist for any widely held perspective. This does not mean that one cannot think coherently about the overall weight of cultural messaging (mainstream messaging) we're exposed to. An inability to admit that that messaging is dominated by the left, from grade schools to universities to corporate jobs to movies to music to TV to streaming services, is generally motivated by an unwillingness to admit that one has chosen the easy side, and joined the tribe of least resistance.
Yes, the messaging is currently dominated by the left. I'm sure it will swing back at some point. There have been plenty of periods where conservative values were accepted as the norm by the vast majority of people. As a liberal, I didn't much enjoy living in Margaret Thatcher's Britain, where pretty much all the newspapers were on her side, as was much of the establishment. Eventually, she was undone, not by some leftist conspiracy, but because regular middle class people got sick of her increasingly authoritative behaviour and lack of empathy for anybody who did not share her world view.
@Doctor-Phibes said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
@Horace said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
It's a truism that corporate news outlets will exist for any widely held perspective. This does not mean that one cannot think coherently about the overall weight of cultural messaging (mainstream messaging) we're exposed to. An inability to admit that that messaging is dominated by the left, from grade schools to universities to corporate jobs to movies to music to TV to streaming services, is generally motivated by an unwillingness to admit that one has chosen the easy side, and joined the tribe of least resistance.
Yes, the messaging is currently dominated by the left. I'm sure it will swing back at some point. There have been plenty of periods where conservative values were accepted as the norm by the vast majority of people. As a liberal, I didn't much enjoy living in Margaret Thatcher's Britain, where pretty much all the newspapers were on her side, as was much of the establishment. Eventually, she was undone, not by some leftist conspiracy, but because regular middle class people got sick of her increasingly authoritative behaviour and lack of empathy for anybody who did not share her world view.
I don't think American popular culture has been largely conservative since before the Vietnam War. I don't anticipate that changing within my lifetime. It's only gotten more and more solidly leftist, galvanized to an extreme by the election of Donald Trump.
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@Jon said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
So the complaint is “left leaning media dominates”? Or maybe more precisely “dominant media is left wing!” How can that be true in a world where Fox is #1?
In other contexts, you're happy to admit that, for instance, 40 year olds aren't turning conservative like previous generations did. In other contexts, you're happy to admit that fox caters to old people who have little to no bearing on the culture that matters to those who are working within it. You are choosing selective ignorance here to pretend you have some sort of good point.
@Horace said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
@Jon said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
So the complaint is “left leaning media dominates”? Or maybe more precisely “dominant media is left wing!” How can that be true in a world where Fox is #1?
In other contexts, you're happy to admit that, for instance, 40 year olds aren't turning conservative like previous generations did. In other contexts, you're happy to admit that fox caters to old people who have little to no bearing on the culture that matters to those who are working within it. You are choosing selective ignorance here to pretend you have some sort of good point.
Be specific - what point am I pretending to be ignorant of?
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I have been very specific. The culture we have to live in, from school to corporate jobs to mainstream entertainment, is dominated by the left, and the existence of completely ignorable partisan news outlets that cater to old people, does nothing to change that. I've said this three times now. I can't be more specific.
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Ain't this the biggest bunch of horseshit you've ever seen?
The MSM (CBS, NBC, ABC) is not only left leaning, they're in the tank for Leftists. They make no effort to be otherwise. Hell, even FOX has its moments when it runs with the herd.
I'm sure we can trot out measured studies, graphs and diagrams, or we can try a novel idea...Watch or listen to the crap for 30 minutes a day a couple of times a week, for a month. If you can't figure it out after that, you're in denial, a partisan or dumber than a tree stump.
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I haven’t pretended not to get that point, In fact I’ve conceded it throughout. Maybe “elite culture is in the tank for the dems” would make more sense and not be so circular.
But the phrase used here was “main stream media”. The media landscape is different and not nearly as lopsided. Cable media is bifurcated into partisan left and partisan right. The (by far) dominant network in the US is partisan right.
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Ain't this the biggest bunch of horseshit you've ever seen?
The MSM (CBS, NBC, ABC) is not only left leaning, they're in the tank for Leftists. They make no effort to be otherwise. Hell, even FOX has its moments when it runs with the herd.
I'm sure we can trot out measured studies, graphs and diagrams, or we can try a novel idea...Watch or listen to the crap for 30 minutes a day a couple of times a week, for a month. If you can't figure it out after that, you're in denial, a partisan or dumber than a tree stump.
@Jolly said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
Hell, even FOX has its moments when it runs with the herd.
If you think Fox is left wing, it's possible that your measuring device may be out of calibration.
Unless 'Leftist' is now taken to mean 'Anybody who says anything less than grotesquely sycophantic about you-know-who'.
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@Jolly said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
Hell, even FOX has its moments when it runs with the herd.
If you think Fox is left wing, it's possible that your measuring device may be out of calibration.
Unless 'Leftist' is now taken to mean 'Anybody who says anything less than grotesquely sycophantic about you-know-who'.
@Doctor-Phibes said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
grotesquely sycophantic
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/24635/the-levin-trump-interview/5
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@Doctor-Phibes said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
grotesquely sycophantic
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/24635/the-levin-trump-interview/5
@George-K said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
@Doctor-Phibes said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
grotesquely sycophantic
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/24635/the-levin-trump-interview/5
I've worked with people who act like that towards senior management. What's really disappointing is that it seems to work.
I was only joking
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I think reasonable people can have legitimate doubts about Reade's veracity. But that was also the case with Trump's accuser. The bias is evident if you compare case to case. Now if you factor in the number of women who have come forth to accuse each man and Trump's own statements, the possible bias lessens.
I think both women are full of crap.
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Yeah it’s hard to rule out the idea that a powerful man made unwanted advances on women around him because it’s just so common. But it tends to be a pattern with the guys that do that. That’s why I’m more skeptical about, say, claims against Biden , Obama, or either of the Bushes but far less so with claims against Clinton or Trump.
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I haven’t pretended not to get that point, In fact I’ve conceded it throughout. Maybe “elite culture is in the tank for the dems” would make more sense and not be so circular.
But the phrase used here was “main stream media”. The media landscape is different and not nearly as lopsided. Cable media is bifurcated into partisan left and partisan right. The (by far) dominant network in the US is partisan right.
@Jon said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
I haven’t pretended not to get that point, In fact I’ve conceded it throughout. Maybe “elite culture is in the tank for the dems” would make more sense and not be so circular.
But the phrase used here was “main stream media”. The media landscape is different and not nearly as lopsided. Cable media is bifurcated into partisan left and partisan right. The (by far) dominant network in the US is partisan right.
I think you are artificially constraining your definition of "media". And even then your point is weak, since the right-leaning media, as you're defining the word, is concentrated, while left-leaning is spread through many companies, all of which, when consolidated, would outweigh Fox.
When people use the word "MSM", they mean the weight of overall cultural messaging, especially of the unavoidable kind - such as schools and jobs. Anybody with a corporate job can watch people above them in the success hierarchy, with their public recitations of leftism that are obviously prerequisite to advancement. Leftism is baked into our culture, and it's grown roots. We are surrounded with its messaging, and with the notion that you better get on board, or get left behind. The existence of the totally ignorable and pre-marginalized partisan news sources for the right, does nothing to change that. I understand that when someone uses the term "MSM", you jump at the chance to prove them wrong by saying "fox". But a good faith interpretation of the meaning of MSM, would be "mainstream messaging". Not the pedantic "cable ratings of Fox vs CNN".
Education is extremely important.
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@George-K said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
@Doctor-Phibes said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
grotesquely sycophantic
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/24635/the-levin-trump-interview/5
I've worked with people who act like that towards senior management. What's really disappointing is that it seems to work.
@Doctor-Phibes said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
@George-K said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
@Doctor-Phibes said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
grotesquely sycophantic
https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/24635/the-levin-trump-interview/5
I've worked with people who act like that towards senior management. What's really disappointing is that it seems to work.
the CEO/owner of the company I work for was born into it. His father started the company, and the family owns most of the stock. A quarterly results company-wide meeting never passes without fawning over his leadership, from the Vice Presidents presenting. The CEO presents sometimes. I would put his speaking ability, and his ability to think on his feet during question and answer sessions, at the level of a moderately precious high school student.
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@Jon said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
I haven’t pretended not to get that point, In fact I’ve conceded it throughout. Maybe “elite culture is in the tank for the dems” would make more sense and not be so circular.
But the phrase used here was “main stream media”. The media landscape is different and not nearly as lopsided. Cable media is bifurcated into partisan left and partisan right. The (by far) dominant network in the US is partisan right.
I think you are artificially constraining your definition of "media". And even then your point is weak, since the right-leaning media, as you're defining the word, is concentrated, while left-leaning is spread through many companies, all of which, when consolidated, would outweigh Fox.
When people use the word "MSM", they mean the weight of overall cultural messaging, especially of the unavoidable kind - such as schools and jobs. Anybody with a corporate job can watch people above them in the success hierarchy, with their public recitations of leftism that are obviously prerequisite to advancement. Leftism is baked into our culture, and it's grown roots. We are surrounded with its messaging, and with the notion that you better get on board, or get left behind. The existence of the totally ignorable and pre-marginalized partisan news sources for the right, does nothing to change that. I understand that when someone uses the term "MSM", you jump at the chance to prove them wrong by saying "fox". But a good faith interpretation of the meaning of MSM, would be "mainstream messaging". Not the pedantic "cable ratings of Fox vs CNN".
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@Jon said in 60 Minutes to air Tara Reade story tomorrow:
@Horace That’s a rather in-depth way to explain the circularity of the charge.
I bet you couldn't put my post into your own words. The circularity is a function of your constrained definition of "MSM", which you take to mean "cable news".
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And then the cow began to moo:
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And then the cow began to moo:
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Maybe this is the start of a mass conservative migration to go and live in Russia, the great defender of Christian virtue and press freedom.
