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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #1645

    Russian replacements for Wagner troops are bolting.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-troops-taking-over-from-wagner-in-bakhmut-are-abandoning-their-positions-ukrainian-officer-claims-as-soon-as-they-are-afraid-they-just-run/ar-AA1bfRD8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7bc4a1b15eca447fa1aff61c6f9aac95&ei=10

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Patreas' thoughts:

      https://themessenger.com/news/petraeus-ukraine-counteroffensive-likely-to-set-russians-back

      George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #1646

      @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

      Patreas' thoughts:

      https://themessenger.com/news/petraeus-ukraine-counteroffensive-likely-to-set-russians-back

      "Virtually no chance for Russian "victory"."

      That's a pretty bold statement.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #1647

        "The Russians are cumming!"

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainian-general-accidentally-sparks-internet-frenzy-announcing-destruction-of-russian-supercum-drones/ar-AA1bgnv7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=32d95c551c044ae6a51b7842e97370b2&ei=32

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • George KG George K

          @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Patreas' thoughts:

          https://themessenger.com/news/petraeus-ukraine-counteroffensive-likely-to-set-russians-back

          "Virtually no chance for Russian "victory"."

          That's a pretty bold statement.

          jon-nycJ Offline
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          jon-nyc
          wrote on last edited by
          #1648

          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

          @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Patreas' thoughts:

          https://themessenger.com/news/petraeus-ukraine-counteroffensive-likely-to-set-russians-back

          "Virtually no chance for Russian "victory"."

          That's a pretty bold statement.

          Unless Donald J Churchill or one of his ilk takes over. Patreas qualified it to say it was contingent on continued western support.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #1649

            Ah, you're beginning to doubt.

            Good.

            Trump said something at the townhall the other night about the first mission being to stop the killing. To me, that's an armistice.

            Right now, depending on territory, that might be doable.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              Ah, you're beginning to doubt.

              Good.

              Trump said something at the townhall the other night about the first mission being to stop the killing. To me, that's an armistice.

              Right now, depending on territory, that might be doable.

              jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #1650

              @Jolly I’m beginning to doubt that the party of Reagan isn’t going to actively assist in rebuilding the Russian Empire.

              Please prove me wrong.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                @Jolly I’m beginning to doubt that the party of Reagan isn’t going to actively assist in rebuilding the Russian Empire.

                Please prove me wrong.

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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #1651

                @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @Jolly I’m beginning to doubt that the party of Reagan isn’t going to actively assist in rebuilding the Russian Empire.

                Please prove me wrong.

                Your doubts are genuine, I share the same concern. I think the scenario Vindman describes here is not in the least far fetched:

                https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65613939

                Elbows up!

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  @Jolly I’m beginning to doubt that the party of Reagan isn’t going to actively assist in rebuilding the Russian Empire.

                  Please prove me wrong.

                  Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                  #1652

                  @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  @Jolly I’m beginning to doubt that the party of Reagan isn’t going to actively assist in rebuilding the Russian Empire.

                  Please prove me wrong.

                  I don't understand why Trump, Carlson etc. would act like this. Apart from being morally repugnant it makes no sense at all.

                  I was only joking

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1653

                    I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.

                      Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1654

                      @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.

                      The 1930's are supposed to be a warning, not a guide.

                      I was only joking

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1655

                        Putin doesn't have the economic base to recreate German aggression in the 30's and 40's, but smacking this invasion down hard will make future adventures less likely, especially if the west hangs together.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik

                          I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1656

                          @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.

                          I think Trump believes Ukraine is primarily a European issue and the Europeans should be the leaders on countering Russian aggression.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                          Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.

                            I think Trump believes Ukraine is primarily a European issue and the Europeans should be the leaders on countering Russian aggression.

                            Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                            Aqua Letifer
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1657

                            @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.

                            I think Trump believes Ukraine is primarily a European issue and the Europeans should be the leaders on countering Russian aggression.

                            If they don't, though, is it worth watching it from afar because we shouldn't have been the ones to do the legwork?

                            Please love yourself.

                            JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.

                              The 1930's are supposed to be a warning, not a guide.

                              Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1658

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.

                              The 1930's are supposed to be a warning, not a guide.

                              You mean how everyone sat on their ass and let Ukraine Poland be whatever until things got weird in France and oh hey, maybe we should do something about this?

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.

                                I think Trump believes Ukraine is primarily a European issue and the Europeans should be the leaders on countering Russian aggression.

                                If they don't, though, is it worth watching it from afar because we shouldn't have been the ones to do the legwork?

                                JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1659

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.

                                I think Trump believes Ukraine is primarily a European issue and the Europeans should be the leaders on countering Russian aggression.

                                If they don't, though, is it worth watching it from afar because we shouldn't have been the ones to do the legwork?

                                That's a really good question ad one where I think there are good people on both sides of the issue.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.

                                  I think Trump believes Ukraine is primarily a European issue and the Europeans should be the leaders on countering Russian aggression.

                                  If they don't, though, is it worth watching it from afar because we shouldn't have been the ones to do the legwork?

                                  That's a really good question ad one where I think there are good people on both sides of the issue.

                                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                  Aqua Letifer
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1660

                                  @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.

                                  I think Trump believes Ukraine is primarily a European issue and the Europeans should be the leaders on countering Russian aggression.

                                  If they don't, though, is it worth watching it from afar because we shouldn't have been the ones to do the legwork?

                                  That's a really good question ad one where I think there are good people on both sides of the issue.

                                  I think the last century taught us that it's better to get involved in situations that can potentially affect everyone as soon as possible, rather than wait for the problem to get worse.

                                  But that's as far as I'm willing to go with having an opinion. I'm not even close to an international politics or military expert.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1661

                                    As I see it...

                                    1. USA
                                    2. North America
                                    3. Tie. South America/Europe
                                    4. Australia
                                    5. South Pacific, including Japan, the Phillipines and South Korea.
                                    6. Everything else.

                                    And past #3, I'll bend like Gumby.

                                    I have an open mind.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      As I see it...

                                      1. USA
                                      2. North America
                                      3. Tie. South America/Europe
                                      4. Australia
                                      5. South Pacific, including Japan, the Phillipines and South Korea.
                                      6. Everything else.

                                      And past #3, I'll bend like Gumby.

                                      I have an open mind.

                                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                      Aqua Letifer
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1662

                                      @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      As I see it...

                                      1. USA
                                      2. North America
                                      3. Tie. South America/Europe
                                      4. Australia
                                      5. South Pacific, including Japan, the Phillipines and South Korea.
                                      6. Everything else.

                                      And past #3, I'll bend like Gumby.

                                      I have an open mind.

                                      I think a lot of people would argue that Russia's machinations have a direct and material impact on numbers 1-3.

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                        @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        As I see it...

                                        1. USA
                                        2. North America
                                        3. Tie. South America/Europe
                                        4. Australia
                                        5. South Pacific, including Japan, the Phillipines and South Korea.
                                        6. Everything else.

                                        And past #3, I'll bend like Gumby.

                                        I have an open mind.

                                        I think a lot of people would argue that Russia's machinations have a direct and material impact on numbers 1-3.

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                                        Wim
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1663

                                        @Aqua-Letifer You're a little bit wrong. Depending on what Russia will/won't achieve, China will adapt its strategies to what the USA will/won't do.

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                                        • W Wim

                                          @Aqua-Letifer You're a little bit wrong. Depending on what Russia will/won't achieve, China will adapt its strategies to what the USA will/won't do.

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                                          Aqua Letifer
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1664

                                          @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer You're a little bit wrong. Depending on what Russia will/won't achieve, China will adapt its strategies to what the USA will/won't do.

                                          Well, there's that, too.

                                          Please love yourself.

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