Hey vinyl people.
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Regarding speakers, right now I'm looking at getting a pair of speakers for my desktop computer. @George-K knows I'm a fan of the Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 speakers, but I guess their biggest drawback these days is lack of wireless/bluetooth connectivity.
Why am I posting in this thread? I guess bottom line, if I were to get turntable in the future, is there a noticeable audio quality degradation by listening to records via bluetooth connected speakers vs connected/passive speakers?
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Regarding speakers, right now I'm looking at getting a pair of speakers for my desktop computer. @George-K knows I'm a fan of the Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 speakers, but I guess their biggest drawback these days is lack of wireless/bluetooth connectivity.
Why am I posting in this thread? I guess bottom line, if I were to get turntable in the future, is there a noticeable audio quality degradation by listening to records via bluetooth connected speakers vs connected/passive speakers?
@89th why would you want to use bluetooth if a hard-wired connection is available, easy and reliable?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@89th why would you want to use bluetooth if a hard-wired connection is available, easy and reliable?
@George-K said in Hey vinyl people.:
@89th why would you want to use bluetooth if a hard-wired connection is available, easy and reliable?
Surely Bluetooth is always going to be lower quality than hard wired?
I have two JBL powered monitor speakers hooked up to my PC, connected via a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 audio interface, and it works great - the Focusrite lets you hook up a regular mic or a guitar as well, or switch over to headphones really easily.
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@George-K said in Hey vinyl people.:
@89th why would you want to use bluetooth if a hard-wired connection is available, easy and reliable?
Surely Bluetooth is always going to be lower quality than hard wired?
I have two JBL powered monitor speakers hooked up to my PC, connected via a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 audio interface, and it works great - the Focusrite lets you hook up a regular mic or a guitar as well, or switch over to headphones really easily.
- Which speakers do you have? I'm thinking of moving my Klipsch set to the digital piano and getting something new for the computer.
- The "Focusrite?" What, exactly does it do, allow you to switch from external speakers to headphones with the click of a dial? Looking at the various options on Amazon, they look pricey. I haven't looked around, but surely there's a cheapo A-B switch you could use to accomplish that, right?
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- Which speakers do you have? I'm thinking of moving my Klipsch set to the digital piano and getting something new for the computer.
- The "Focusrite?" What, exactly does it do, allow you to switch from external speakers to headphones with the click of a dial? Looking at the various options on Amazon, they look pricey. I haven't looked around, but surely there's a cheapo A-B switch you could use to accomplish that, right?
@George-K said in Hey vinyl people.:
- Which speakers do you have? I'm thinking of moving my Klipsch set to the digital piano and getting something new for the computer.
- The "Focusrite?" What, exactly does it do, allow you to switch from external speakers to headphones with the click of a dial? Looking at the various options on Amazon, they look pricey. I haven't looked around, but surely there's a cheapo A-B switch you could use to accomplish that, right?
The speakers are JBL 305P Mk ii, so a 5 inch main speaker - there are other sizes. Bear in mind they're monitors, so they're intended not to colour the sound
The Focusrite is basically a sound card and A/D interface - it acts as an interface between the digital USB output from the PC, and provides a decent quality audio output to the speakers. It also takes analog inputs from microphones or guitars and sends them over to the PC as digital. I'm sure there are cheaper options - I got it mostly because I was using a virtual guitar amp on the PC, and it has an electric guitar input.
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@89th why would you want to use bluetooth if a hard-wired connection is available, easy and reliable?
@George-K said in Hey vinyl people.:
@89th why would you want to use bluetooth if a hard-wired connection is available, easy and reliable?
Under the premise of I have the computer speakers (Klipsch) connected to my computer but would want to "switch" to playing music from the turntable instead (that is across the room).
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@George-K said in Hey vinyl people.:
@89th why would you want to use bluetooth if a hard-wired connection is available, easy and reliable?
Under the premise of I have the computer speakers (Klipsch) connected to my computer but would want to "switch" to playing music from the turntable instead (that is across the room).
@89th said in Hey vinyl people.:
Under the premise of I have the computer speakers (Klipsch) connected to my computer but would want to "switch" to playing music from the turntable instead (that is across the room).
Ah, okay.
Well, then, let me rephrase and change the direction of my question. If you're willing to sacrifice quality by relying on a bluetooth connection, why bother with a turntable? Just stream it from your phone/whatever.
(insert "inconvenience" meme here: ________________)
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@89th said in Hey vinyl people.:
Under the premise of I have the computer speakers (Klipsch) connected to my computer but would want to "switch" to playing music from the turntable instead (that is across the room).
Ah, okay.
Well, then, let me rephrase and change the direction of my question. If you're willing to sacrifice quality by relying on a bluetooth connection, why bother with a turntable? Just stream it from your phone/whatever.
(insert "inconvenience" meme here: ________________)
@George-K said in Hey vinyl people.:
@89th said in Hey vinyl people.:
Under the premise of I have the computer speakers (Klipsch) connected to my computer but would want to "switch" to playing music from the turntable instead (that is across the room).
Ah, okay.
Well, then, let me rephrase and change the direction of my question. If you're willing to sacrifice quality by relying on a bluetooth connection, why bother with a turntable? Just stream it from your phone/whatever.
(insert "inconvenience" meme here: ________________)
You know, that is a very good way at thinking about it. Would love to hear a comparison of vinyl as played via bluetooth vs connected speakers. I'm sure if I google it I'll be heading down a black hole of audiophile opinions.
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@George-K said in Hey vinyl people.:
@89th said in Hey vinyl people.:
Under the premise of I have the computer speakers (Klipsch) connected to my computer but would want to "switch" to playing music from the turntable instead (that is across the room).
Ah, okay.
Well, then, let me rephrase and change the direction of my question. If you're willing to sacrifice quality by relying on a bluetooth connection, why bother with a turntable? Just stream it from your phone/whatever.
(insert "inconvenience" meme here: ________________)
You know, that is a very good way at thinking about it. Would love to hear a comparison of vinyl as played via bluetooth vs connected speakers. I'm sure if I google it I'll be heading down a black hole of audiophile opinions.
@89th Your are just digitizing the analog signal , surface noise and all.
If you want an analog system, build one.
You can use a BT DAC on one set of inputs on the receiver. So you can still stream/mp3/flac etc.
The chain from stylus to speaker should always be, all analog.
They even have these stupid expensive A/D converters for "audiophiles" that remove the surface noise, any stray clicks or pops are all processed out of the digitized signal. What the fuck is the point here? Just stream all digital at that point. I have heard these devices at AXPONA and I was not impressed.
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@89th Your are just digitizing the analog signal , surface noise and all.
If you want an analog system, build one.
You can use a BT DAC on one set of inputs on the receiver. So you can still stream/mp3/flac etc.
The chain from stylus to speaker should always be, all analog.
They even have these stupid expensive A/D converters for "audiophiles" that remove the surface noise, any stray clicks or pops are all processed out of the digitized signal. What the fuck is the point here? Just stream all digital at that point. I have heard these devices at AXPONA and I was not impressed.
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@89th said in Hey vinyl people.:
The surface noise is absolutely part of the value, IMO.
Yeah, we wouldn't want to listen to music without all that artifact, would we?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@89th said in Hey vinyl people.:
The surface noise is absolutely part of the value, IMO.
Yeah, we wouldn't want to listen to music without all that artifact, would we?
@George-K said in Hey vinyl people.:
@89th said in Hey vinyl people.:
The surface noise is absolutely part of the value, IMO.
Yeah, we wouldn't want to listen to music without all that artifact, would we?
Actually, that artifact varies greatly record to record. I have some records that are absolute silence in that department and some that border on "I need a different copy of this!". But that's part of the fun of the hunt for great copy of something.
Sure I can always just switch inputs and stream with a very capable DAC but that rarely happens. Pretty much if I don't have it on vinyl, I will stream or listen to a flac version using foobar2000.
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@89th said in Hey vinyl people.:
The surface noise is absolutely part of the value, IMO.
Yeah, we wouldn't want to listen to music without all that artifact, would we?
@George-K said in Hey vinyl people.:
@89th said in Hey vinyl people.:
The surface noise is absolutely part of the value, IMO.
Yeah, we wouldn't want to listen to music without all that artifact, would we?
I've never understood this vinyl thing. Buying vinyl was a great pleasure back in the day - unwrapping the record, looking at the liner notes, and what have you, but actually using it - I don't miss that shit at all.
I was only joking
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@George-K said in Hey vinyl people.:
@89th said in Hey vinyl people.:
The surface noise is absolutely part of the value, IMO.
Yeah, we wouldn't want to listen to music without all that artifact, would we?
I've never understood this vinyl thing. Buying vinyl was a great pleasure back in the day - unwrapping the record, looking at the liner notes, and what have you, but actually using it - I don't miss that shit at all.
@Doctor-Phibes sure I get it. It's a pain in the ass. The workflow is way less efficient than digital.
Everything about vinyl records is a pain in the ass.
And I love it. lol
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@George-K said in Hey vinyl people.:
@89th said in Hey vinyl people.:
The surface noise is absolutely part of the value, IMO.
Yeah, we wouldn't want to listen to music without all that artifact, would we?
I've never understood this vinyl thing. Buying vinyl was a great pleasure back in the day - unwrapping the record, looking at the liner notes, and what have you, but actually using it - I don't miss that shit at all.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hey vinyl people.:
@George-K said in Hey vinyl people.:
@89th said in Hey vinyl people.:
The surface noise is absolutely part of the value, IMO.
Yeah, we wouldn't want to listen to music without all that artifact, would we?
I've never understood this vinyl thing. Buying vinyl was a great pleasure back in the day - unwrapping the record, looking at the liner notes, and what have you, but actually using it - I don't miss that shit at all.
A few years ago I heard a classical piece on vinyl vs digital and was blown away with how good, how "live" it sounded. So that's been in my head ever since. Luckily it seems vinyl is trendy these days so I shouldn't have as hard of a time getting what I need.
Also, someone (I think here?) put it nicely... yeah vinyl is a pain in the butt, but there's something about purposefully taking the time to prepare the music you're about to listen to. It makes you appreciate the music, the album, the listening experience... more than just letting a stream of audio randomly select and auto play the next song.
That being said, outside of my office, I'm happy with any digital file or stream service to have tunes while I'm driving or whatever.
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I threw out all my vinyl when we moved. I wasn't really thinking about it in the midst of the stress of the move, which was considerable, and it had been in the loft for the last few years.
I had this box set of Charlie Parker I got for my 17th birthday and now I'll never get it back. A couple of weeks later I realized what I'd done, and was very disappointed with myself.
What a stupid pillock I am.
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