The Ukraine war thread
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
The politics of this are, for lack of a better word, fascinating. The politics go far, far beyond the simple act of one country invading another. So many players, so many implications.
@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
The politics of this are, for lack of a better word, fascinating. The politics go far, far beyond the simple act of one country invading another. So many players, so many implications.
Indeed. A good reason to take the analyses of TV and podcast talking heads worth a grain of salt.
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The implications are far ranging. There has never, to my knowledge, been a war that was so nearly universally condemned globally and the victim so thoroughly supported economically and militarily. It’s a blueprint for increased stability IF Ukraine is victorious, and a sure harbinger of further bloodshed if not.
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The implications are far ranging. There has never, to my knowledge, been a war that was so nearly universally condemned globally and the victim so thoroughly supported economically and militarily. It’s a blueprint for increased stability IF Ukraine is victorious, and a sure harbinger of further bloodshed if not.
I think you will find that the between 1941 to 1945 US Lend-Lease aid transfers to the USSR in war materiel, industrial equipment, technology transfer and intellectual property would amount to over $1 trillion in today’s currency. Moreover, I do not think that number includes the humanitarian aid such as food, clothing and medical supplies that were also sent to Moscow. In the end everything was given with no strings attached unlike the repayable loans under Lend Lease made to Britain. The USSR’s debts under Lend Lease were written off in 1951. Britain on the hand, paid its wartime debts in full, with interest, until 2006.
If you get the inclination, I recommend you have a look at Sean McKeen’s Stalin’s War that came out in 2021. A real eye opener on how Lend Lease was really allocated and the extent to which Stalin was every bit an aggressive initiator of the war in Europe as was Hitler.
Today Ukraine is receiving nothing near what Stalin received at the expense of other fighting allies like Britain and nationalist China during WWII.
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Elbows up!
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I think you will find that the between 1941 to 1945 US Lend-Lease aid transfers to the USSR in war materiel, industrial equipment, technology transfer and intellectual property would amount to over $1 trillion in today’s currency. Moreover, I do not think that number includes the humanitarian aid such as food, clothing and medical supplies that were also sent to Moscow. In the end everything was given with no strings attached unlike the repayable loans under Lend Lease made to Britain. The USSR’s debts under Lend Lease were written off in 1951. Britain on the hand, paid its wartime debts in full, with interest, until 2006.
If you get the inclination, I recommend you have a look at Sean McKeen’s Stalin’s War that came out in 2021. A real eye opener on how Lend Lease was really allocated and the extent to which Stalin was every bit an aggressive initiator of the war in Europe as was Hitler.
Today Ukraine is receiving nothing near what Stalin received at the expense of other fighting allies like Britain and nationalist China during WWII.
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Good question. For us in the decadent West, Russia is the aggressor and must be stopped in Ukraine.
China, on the other hand, while fully supporting Ukrainian sovereignty, its right to self determination and the inviolability of its borders, cannot help but see that its own Marxist-Leninist ideology demands that it support Russia, the true victim of US imperialist ambitions and birthplace of the first proletarian state.
That and the fact that it’s a great opportunity to sell arms and munitions and further mortgage Russia under its benign, peace loving proletarian and progressive embrace.
Hope that helps.
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I think you will find that the between 1941 to 1945 US Lend-Lease aid transfers to the USSR in war materiel, industrial equipment, technology transfer and intellectual property would amount to over $1 trillion in today’s currency. Moreover, I do not think that number includes the humanitarian aid such as food, clothing and medical supplies that were also sent to Moscow. In the end everything was given with no strings attached unlike the repayable loans under Lend Lease made to Britain. The USSR’s debts under Lend Lease were written off in 1951. Britain on the hand, paid its wartime debts in full, with interest, until 2006.
If you get the inclination, I recommend you have a look at Sean McKeen’s Stalin’s War that came out in 2021. A real eye opener on how Lend Lease was really allocated and the extent to which Stalin was every bit an aggressive initiator of the war in Europe as was Hitler.
Today Ukraine is receiving nothing near what Stalin received at the expense of other fighting allies like Britain and nationalist China during WWII.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
I think you will find that the between 1941 to 1945 US Lend-Lease aid transfers to the USSR in war materiel, industrial equipment, technology transfer and intellectual property would amount to over $1 trillion in today’s currency. Moreover, I do not think that number includes the humanitarian aid such as food, clothing and medical supplies that were also sent to Moscow. In the end everything was given with no strings attached unlike the repayable loans under Lend Lease made to Britain. The USSR’s debts under Lend Lease were written off in 1951. Britain on the hand, paid its wartime debts in full, with interest, until 2006.
If you get the inclination, I recommend you have a look at Sean McKeen’s Stalin’s War that came out in 2021. A real eye opener on how Lend Lease was really allocated and the extent to which Stalin was every bit an aggressive initiator of the war in Europe as was Hitler.
Today Ukraine is receiving nothing near what Stalin received at the expense of other fighting allies like Britain and nationalist China during WWII.
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The war in Ukraine continues on day 361. Russian forces are still in search of a breakthrough in the Donbas, without any success as the Ukrainian military continues to put a stiff resistance all across the battlefield.
The Russian military has committed well over 90 percent of all its ground forces in Ukraine, according to Chairman of the Military Committee of NATO and Royal Netherlands Navy Admiral Rob Bauer.
That means that the Kremlin has almost no reserves to pull from, and it depends on further force generation methods to bolster its size and fill the gaps created by the war.
However, the Russian Ministry of Defense hasn’t been very efficient in recruiting, training, and deploying new troops.
For yet another day, Russian forces are suffering heavy casualties on the ground in Ukraine.
Russian commanders continue to commit troops in mass frontal assaults and against Ukrainian fortifications.
Overall, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense claimed that as of Sunday, Ukrainian forces have killed approximately 142,860 Russian troops (and wounded approximately twice to thrice that number)
Destroyed equipment includes: 298 fighter, attack, bomber, and transport jets, 287 attack and transport helicopters, 3,310 tanks, 2,327 artillery pieces, 6,545 armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, 469 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS), 18 boats and cutters, 5,196 vehicles and fuel tanks, 243 anti-aircraft batteries, 2,016 tactical unmanned aerial systems, 224special equipment platforms, such as bridging vehicles, and four mobile Iskander ballistic missile systems, and 873 cruise missiles shot down by the Ukrainian air defenses.
Can these numbers be real? Almost 150K KIA?
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The war in Ukraine continues on day 361. Russian forces are still in search of a breakthrough in the Donbas, without any success as the Ukrainian military continues to put a stiff resistance all across the battlefield.
The Russian military has committed well over 90 percent of all its ground forces in Ukraine, according to Chairman of the Military Committee of NATO and Royal Netherlands Navy Admiral Rob Bauer.
That means that the Kremlin has almost no reserves to pull from, and it depends on further force generation methods to bolster its size and fill the gaps created by the war.
However, the Russian Ministry of Defense hasn’t been very efficient in recruiting, training, and deploying new troops.
For yet another day, Russian forces are suffering heavy casualties on the ground in Ukraine.
Russian commanders continue to commit troops in mass frontal assaults and against Ukrainian fortifications.
Overall, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense claimed that as of Sunday, Ukrainian forces have killed approximately 142,860 Russian troops (and wounded approximately twice to thrice that number)
Destroyed equipment includes: 298 fighter, attack, bomber, and transport jets, 287 attack and transport helicopters, 3,310 tanks, 2,327 artillery pieces, 6,545 armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, 469 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS), 18 boats and cutters, 5,196 vehicles and fuel tanks, 243 anti-aircraft batteries, 2,016 tactical unmanned aerial systems, 224special equipment platforms, such as bridging vehicles, and four mobile Iskander ballistic missile systems, and 873 cruise missiles shot down by the Ukrainian air defenses.
Can these numbers be real? Almost 150K KIA?
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Don’t know for sure how accurate those numbers are but it is plausible they can be real.
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Don’t know for sure how accurate those numbers are
This site tracks equipment losses - but only visually verified losses.
His count of tanks is 1762, of which destroyed: 1038, damaged: 85, abandoned: 91, captured: 548
Aircraft (72, of which destroyed: 65, damaged: 7)
Helicopters (78, of which destroyed: 67, damaged: 10, captured: 1)
Other numbers are similar.
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Putin Halts Nuke Pact With US, Vows to Push War in Ukraine
President Vladimir Putin said Russia will suspend its observation of the New START treaty with the US, dealing a blow to the last accord limiting their nuclear arsenals, as he vowed to press on with his faltering invasion of Ukraine.
Russia is fighting for its “historic lands” in Ukraine and “will fulfill the tasks set step-by-step, carefully and consistently,” Putin told the Russian parliament and top officials in Moscow on Tuesday. Russia won’t be the first to resume testing of nuclear weapons as a result of its suspension of New START, though it will do so in response to any US test, he said.
Russia’s suspension of the treaty is “deeply unfortunate and irresponsible,” US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in Athens. Putin’s decision “makes the world more dangerous” and means the entire infrastructure of arms control has been dismantled, North Atlantic Treaty Organization Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters in Brussels, urging Russia to reconsider.
US President Joe Biden extended the nuclear treaty by five years to 2026 as one of his first acts upon taking office in 2021 shortly before it was due to expire, after Putin had pressed his predecessor Donald Trump without success to agree to a deal.Despite the anticipation, the speech lasting nearly two hours covered mainly Putin’s usual efforts to shift the blame for the conflict to the US and its allies, where he claimed godlessness and pedophilia have become “the norm.” Much of the address also focused on domestic issues, with new benefits offered for veterans and their families, as well as defense workers.
Russia’s suspension of New START means the US could lose access to inspections and monitoring data about the number of deployed Russian nuclear warheads, as well as the land- and sea-based vehicles used to launch them. About 200 inspectors drawn from the Department of Defense, intelligence community and State Department are assigned to carry out verification under the treaty, according to Steven Pifer, the former US ambassador to Ukraine who conducted arms-control negotiations with Russia.
“What the Pentagon values most about the treaty isn’t the numbers, it’s the transparency,” said Pifer, who’s now a fellow at the Brookings Institution. -
Putin Halts Nuke Pact With US, Vows to Push War in Ukraine
President Vladimir Putin said Russia will suspend its observation of the New START treaty with the US, dealing a blow to the last accord limiting their nuclear arsenals, as he vowed to press on with his faltering invasion of Ukraine.
Russia is fighting for its “historic lands” in Ukraine and “will fulfill the tasks set step-by-step, carefully and consistently,” Putin told the Russian parliament and top officials in Moscow on Tuesday. Russia won’t be the first to resume testing of nuclear weapons as a result of its suspension of New START, though it will do so in response to any US test, he said.
Russia’s suspension of the treaty is “deeply unfortunate and irresponsible,” US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in Athens. Putin’s decision “makes the world more dangerous” and means the entire infrastructure of arms control has been dismantled, North Atlantic Treaty Organization Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters in Brussels, urging Russia to reconsider.
US President Joe Biden extended the nuclear treaty by five years to 2026 as one of his first acts upon taking office in 2021 shortly before it was due to expire, after Putin had pressed his predecessor Donald Trump without success to agree to a deal.Despite the anticipation, the speech lasting nearly two hours covered mainly Putin’s usual efforts to shift the blame for the conflict to the US and its allies, where he claimed godlessness and pedophilia have become “the norm.” Much of the address also focused on domestic issues, with new benefits offered for veterans and their families, as well as defense workers.
Russia’s suspension of New START means the US could lose access to inspections and monitoring data about the number of deployed Russian nuclear warheads, as well as the land- and sea-based vehicles used to launch them. About 200 inspectors drawn from the Department of Defense, intelligence community and State Department are assigned to carry out verification under the treaty, according to Steven Pifer, the former US ambassador to Ukraine who conducted arms-control negotiations with Russia.
“What the Pentagon values most about the treaty isn’t the numbers, it’s the transparency,” said Pifer, who’s now a fellow at the Brookings Institution.The treaty itself has already been moribund for some time. Well before last year’s offensive against Ukraine, Russia began obstructing or even refusing verification inspection under the treaty.
Putin is just resorting to his usual bluster and extortion tactics. The fact that his speech focused on domestic issues and avoided altogether an assessment, even falsified, of what is actually happening on the battlefield, indicates he is at least aware that his prestige and authority are more vulnerable now than ever. It boils down to damage control of his desired legacy.
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The treaty itself has already been moribund for some time. Well before last year’s offensive against Ukraine, Russia began obstructing or even refusing verification inspection under the treaty.
Putin is just resorting to his usual bluster and extortion tactics. The fact that his speech focused on domestic issues and avoided altogether an assessment, even falsified, of what is actually happening on the battlefield, indicates he is at least aware that his prestige and authority are more vulnerable now than ever. It boils down to damage control of his desired legacy.
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
his speech focused on domestic issues and avoided altogether an assessment, even falsified, of what is actually happening
I read a similar assessment. Other than the usual "always part of Russia," "Nazis," etc bullshit, there was really nothing he said of any substance.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
his speech focused on domestic issues and avoided altogether an assessment, even falsified, of what is actually happening
I read a similar assessment. Other than the usual "always part of Russia," "Nazis," etc bullshit, there was really nothing he said of any substance.
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“There is a large group in power who believe that victory is needed and that is all. At the same time, they can't explain what the victory is, except for reaching Kyiv."
But most government officials and top business executives, according to the government source, are interested in a peace agreement as soon as possible.
"The general mood overall is negative, everyone's tired," he said.
Russians react to Putin’s 2 hour harangue:
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Wonder how much you can learn in five weeks?
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It's specific training on the weaponry they will be using and tactics for them. Like Renauda said, far greater than Russian grunts.
