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    George K
    wrote on 11 Jan 2023, 13:30 last edited by
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    Really.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      George K
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      All Domestic U.S. Flights Grounded

      The Federal Aviation Administration early Wednesday ordered airlines to pause all domestic departures until 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time to allow the agency to restore a critical system that alerts pilots and crew to safety advisories and other information for flights.

      United Airlines Holdings Inc. said early Wednesday that it had temporarily delayed all domestic flights due to the issue. American Airlines Group Inc. said in a tweet the FAA outage was affecting all carriers and all flights, but didn’t provide details. “We sincerely appreciate your patience as they work to resolve this,” the company said.

      Southwest Airlines Co. warned customers on Twitter to check their flight status on the airline’s app and website. “We’re closely monitoring a data issue with the FAA that may impact the start of operations today,” it warned.

      Flight data specialist Flightaware early Wednesday showed a rising number of delays and cancellations across the U.S. It showed approximately 1,360 delayed flights departing or arriving in the U.S., and a further 103 canceled as of 7:14 a.m. ET. It wasn’t immediately clear what proportion of those flights were affected by the outage. Cirium, an aviation data provider, said there were a total of 21,464 flights scheduled to depart airports in the U.S. Wednesday. Those flights account for about 2.9 million available seats.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Mik
        wrote on 11 Jan 2023, 13:35 last edited by
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        Watching that this morning. This critical system doesn’t have redundancy?

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          Horace
          wrote on 11 Jan 2023, 13:36 last edited by
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          If it saves a single human life, we need to keep those planes grounded indefinitely.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • M Mik
            11 Jan 2023, 13:35

            Watching that this morning. This critical system doesn’t have redundancy?

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            George K
            wrote on 11 Jan 2023, 13:44 last edited by
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            @Mik said in USA is a "no-fly" zone:

            Watching that this morning. This critical system doesn’t have redundancy?

            Good point. After the Southwest debacle, it looks like the entire air transportation system is just a bunch of stuff kludged together.

            It works fine, until it doesn't.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              11 Jan 2023, 13:36

              If it saves a single human life, we need to keep those planes grounded indefinitely.

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              89th
              wrote on 11 Jan 2023, 14:08 last edited by
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              @Horace said in USA is a "no-fly" zone:

              If it saves a single human life, we need to keep those planes grounded indefinitely.

              Include bird lives.

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                11 Jan 2023, 14:08

                @Horace said in USA is a "no-fly" zone:

                If it saves a single human life, we need to keep those planes grounded indefinitely.

                Include bird lives.

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                George K
                wrote on 11 Jan 2023, 14:09 last edited by
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                @89th said in USA is a "no-fly" zone:

                @Horace said in USA is a "no-fly" zone:

                If it saves a single human life, we need to keep those planes grounded indefinitely.

                Include bird lives.

                And yet, you're silent about windmills.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • G George K
                  11 Jan 2023, 14:09

                  @89th said in USA is a "no-fly" zone:

                  @Horace said in USA is a "no-fly" zone:

                  If it saves a single human life, we need to keep those planes grounded indefinitely.

                  Include bird lives.

                  And yet, you're silent about windmills.

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                  89th
                  wrote on 11 Jan 2023, 14:11 last edited by
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                  @George-K said in USA is a "no-fly" zone:

                  @89th said in USA is a "no-fly" zone:

                  @Horace said in USA is a "no-fly" zone:

                  If it saves a single human life, we need to keep those planes grounded indefinitely.

                  Include bird lives.

                  And yet, you're silent about windmills.

                  Link to video

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                    Axtremus
                    wrote on 11 Jan 2023, 14:15 last edited by
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                    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-flights-grounded-faa-outage-rcna65243

                    “At around 8:50 a.m., [the FAA] announced that the ground stop had been lifted and that normal air traffic operations were resuming gradually across the country.”

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 11 Jan 2023, 14:16 last edited by
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                      Air troubles cascade like nothing else. Today will be
                      anything but normal.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        89th
                        wrote on 11 Jan 2023, 14:17 last edited by
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                        FAA: Our systems are down, what do you suggest?
                        ChatGPT IT: Have you tried restarting it?

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 11 Jan 2023, 14:29 last edited by
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                          ChatGPT - a perpetual meme machine is born.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 11 Jan 2023, 17:25 last edited by
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                            Two thoughts:

                            Any chance it’s a hack?

                            Imagine being a poor southwest passenger from December who was finally leaving on his rebooked flight today…

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                            • J jon-nyc
                              11 Jan 2023, 17:25

                              Two thoughts:

                              Any chance it’s a hack?

                              Imagine being a poor southwest passenger from December who was finally leaving on his rebooked flight today…

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                              George K
                              wrote on 11 Jan 2023, 17:40 last edited by
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                              @jon-nyc said in USA is a "no-fly" zone:

                              Any chance it’s a hack?

                              Of course, FAA is saying it's not. Of course.

                              Perhaps the cause is a bit more mundane:

                              IMG_0225.jpg

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 23:48 last edited by
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                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 01:20 last edited by
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                                  Buttgig for President!

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    Axtremus
                                    wrote on 16 Jan 2023, 17:44 last edited by Axtremus
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                                    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3814327-schumer-says-its-time-to-clear-the-runway-for-faa-administrators-confirmation/amp/

                                    Dems have control of the Senate when the last FAA chief quit. Don't know what is taking them so long to confirm the next FAA chief.

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                                      16 Jan 2023, 17:44

                                      https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3814327-schumer-says-its-time-to-clear-the-runway-for-faa-administrators-confirmation/amp/

                                      Dems have control of the Senate when the last FAA chief quit. Don't know what is taking them so long to confirm the next FAA chief.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 16 Jan 2023, 18:57 last edited by
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                                      @Axtremus said in USA is a "no-fly" zone:

                                      Don't know what is taking them so long

                                      Maybe they're praying for inspiration?

                                      Screenshot 2023-01-16 at 12.57.10 PM.png

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • G George K
                                        16 Jan 2023, 18:57

                                        @Axtremus said in USA is a "no-fly" zone:

                                        Don't know what is taking them so long

                                        Maybe they're praying for inspiration?

                                        Screenshot 2023-01-16 at 12.57.10 PM.png

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                                        Axtremus
                                        wrote on 16 Jan 2023, 19:37 last edited by
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                                        @George-K, the timeline doesn't work. The last FAA chief resigned in March 2022. The picture you posted of Schumer praying was taken in June 2020.

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                                          16 Jan 2023, 19:37

                                          @George-K, the timeline doesn't work. The last FAA chief resigned in March 2022. The picture you posted of Schumer praying was taken in June 2020.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 16 Jan 2023, 19:40 last edited by
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                                          @Axtremus thanks for the timeline. The photo was tended as an illustration, not history. Since Schumer has a history of devoted prayer, and I have no reason to think that this was a political stunt, I can only assume that he has continued his reverent tradition.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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