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“Strikingly, 100% of ICU patients less than 75 years old had vitamin D deficiency”

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    And another study on Vitamin D and may definitively prove that COVID-19 is indeed racist.

    https://www.live5news.com/2020/05/08/sc-researchers-studying-effects-vitamin-d-coronavirus-symptoms/

    "The latest numbers from SCDHEC show African American cases of COVID-19 make up about 44% of total cases, even though African Americans only make up about 27% of the state’s population. Research shows melanin decreases the amount of sunlight that can get in the body, and therefore affects the amount of vitamin D made inside the bodies of people who have darker skin.

    “Vitamin D is probably the classic thing to look at for disparities,” Hollis added."

    The Brad

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #17

      This should strengthen the case for reparations.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        #18

        https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/09/03/Vitamin-D-deficiency-raises-COVID-19-infection-risk-by-77-study-finds/7001599139929/

        Sept. 3 (UPI) -- Vitamin D deficiency increases a person's risk for catching COVID-19 by 77% compared to those with sufficient levels of the nutrient, a study published Thursday by JAMA Network Open found.

        As many as one in four of the nearly 500 participants in the study were found to have less-than-optimal levels of vitamin D, the data showed.

        Among those found to be lacking the key nutrient, 22% contracted COVID-19, the data showed.

        Of the 60% of study subjects with adequate vitamin D levels, just 12% were infected, according to the researchers.

        The study: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2770157?utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=090320

        Results A total of 489 patients (mean [SD] age, 49.2 [18.4] years; 366 [75%] women; and 331 [68%] race other than White) had a vitamin D level measured in the year before COVID-19 testing. Vitamin D status before COVID-19 testing was categorized as likely deficient for 124 participants (25%), likely sufficient for 287 (59%), and uncertain for 78 (16%). Overall, 71 participants (15%) tested positive for COVID-19. In multivariate analysis, testing positive for COVID-19 was associated with increasing age up to age 50 years (relative risk, 1.06; 95% CI, 1.01-1.09; P = .02); non-White race (relative risk, 2.54; 95% CI, 1.26-5.12; P = .009), and likely deficient vitamin D status (relative risk, 1.77; 95% CI, 1.12-2.81; P = .02) compared with likely sufficient vitamin D status. Predicted COVID-19 rates in the deficient group were 21.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-29.2%) vs 12.2%(95% CI, 8.9%-15.4%) in the sufficient group.

        Conclusions and Relevance In this single-center, retrospective cohort study, likely deficient vitamin D status was associated with increased COVID-19 risk, a finding that suggests that randomized trials may be needed to determine whether vitamin D affects COVID-19 risk.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Loki
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          Trump should recommend we all take Vitamin D. That ought to kill it.

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          • CopperC Offline
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            Copper
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            Vitamin D for Donald

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            • LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
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              We don’t need no stinking vaccine!

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                That article about the brakkiodarusdydrine or whatever it was brought up Vitamin D, too.

                The Brad

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  #23

                  Very large n (>600k)

                  In the population of US veterans, we show that Vitamin D2 and D3 fills were associated with reductions in COVID-19 infection of 28% and 20%, respectively. Mortality within 30-days of COVID-19 infection was similarly 33% lower with Vitamin D3 and 25% lower with D2.

                  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-24053-4

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                    #24

                    One-a-Day vitamins Men's 50+ gives 88% of daily value Vitamin D

                    One-a-Day vitamins Men's 65+ gives 150% of daily value Vitamin D

                    I couldn't find 65+ last time, so I bought 50+, I guess I should make an effort to get the 65+

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                      #25

                      What’s particularly interesting is they had lower infection rates, not just better outcomes.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        Yeah, but how many were Democrats and how many were Republicans?

                        Fascinating.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          Very large n (>600k)

                          In the population of US veterans, we show that Vitamin D2 and D3 fills were associated with reductions in COVID-19 infection of 28% and 20%, respectively. Mortality within 30-days of COVID-19 infection was similarly 33% lower with Vitamin D3 and 25% lower with D2.

                          https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-24053-4

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                          @jon-nyc said in “Strikingly, 100% of ICU patients less than 75 years old had vitamin D deficiency”:

                          Very large n (>600k)

                          In the population of US veterans, we show that Vitamin D2 and D3 fills were associated with reductions in COVID-19 infection of 28% and 20%, respectively. Mortality within 30-days of COVID-19 infection was similarly 33% lower with Vitamin D3 and 25% lower with D2.

                          https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-24053-4

                          What came first, the chicken or the egg?

                          Old people don't eat well and most get inadequate time out in the sun. They tend to have macrocytic anemias and Vitamin D deficiencies.

                          They're not healthy.

                          So...COVID kills old people that are unhealthy to start with...🤪

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            They used a one-to-one match with the control group on all kinds of demographic variables including age.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              Very large n (>600k)

                              In the population of US veterans, we show that Vitamin D2 and D3 fills were associated with reductions in COVID-19 infection of 28% and 20%, respectively. Mortality within 30-days of COVID-19 infection was similarly 33% lower with Vitamin D3 and 25% lower with D2.

                              https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-24053-4

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                              LuFins Dad
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                              #29

                              @jon-nyc said in “Strikingly, 100% of ICU patients less than 75 years old had vitamin D deficiency”:

                              Very large n (>600k)

                              In the population of US veterans, we show that Vitamin D2 and D3 fills were associated with reductions in COVID-19 infection of 28% and 20%, respectively. Mortality within 30-days of COVID-19 infection was similarly 33% lower with Vitamin D3 and 25% lower with D2.

                              https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-24053-4

                              Did they adjust for patients that had also taken the prophylactic therapeutic?

                              The Brad

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #30

                                I get you're trying to diss the vaccine, but I don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make. In my experience 'prophylactic' and 'therapeutic' are distinct and non-overlapping.

                                A prophylactic is a medication or a treatment designed and used to prevent a disease from occurring. Therefore, if the drug is administered before disease onset, it is considered prophylactic, otherwise it is considered therapeutic. Therapeutic group are the subjects on treatment of existing disease, while prophylatic group are subjects receiving preventive measures.

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #31

                                  Still, the period used in our study has the advantage of preceding the general availability of vaccines and, therefore, may provide better estimates of the association between vitamin D supplementation and COVID-19 infection and mortality.

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    I get you're trying to diss the vaccine, but I don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make. In my experience 'prophylactic' and 'therapeutic' are distinct and non-overlapping.

                                    A prophylactic is a medication or a treatment designed and used to prevent a disease from occurring. Therefore, if the drug is administered before disease onset, it is considered prophylactic, otherwise it is considered therapeutic. Therapeutic group are the subjects on treatment of existing disease, while prophylatic group are subjects receiving preventive measures.

                                    LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    @jon-nyc said in “Strikingly, 100% of ICU patients less than 75 years old had vitamin D deficiency”:

                                    I get you're trying to diss the vaccine, but I don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make. In my experience 'prophylactic' and 'therapeutic' are distinct and non-overlapping.

                                    A prophylactic is a medication or a treatment designed and used to prevent a disease from occurring. Therefore, if the drug is administered before disease onset, it is considered prophylactic, otherwise it is considered therapeutic. Therapeutic group are the subjects on treatment of existing disease, while prophylatic group are subjects receiving preventive measures.

                                    Unfortunately, there’s not really an established category that encapsulates what this treatment does. It’s primary benefit is not preventing infection, but preventing severe symptom of the infection (like a therapeutic) but it’s only effective if you take it prior to infection (like a prophylactic treatment). As the defining characteristic of a vaccine is the aggregate prevention of transmission and this doesn’t do so, calling it a vaccine isn’t really appropriate… So what do you suggest?

                                    The Brad

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