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“Strikingly, 100% of ICU patients less than 75 years old had vitamin D deficiency”

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  • L Offline
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    Loki
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    #19

    Trump should recommend we all take Vitamin D. That ought to kill it.

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      Copper
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      Vitamin D for Donald

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        LuFins Dad
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        We don’t need no stinking vaccine!

        The Brad

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          That article about the brakkiodarusdydrine or whatever it was brought up Vitamin D, too.

          The Brad

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            Very large n (>600k)

            In the population of US veterans, we show that Vitamin D2 and D3 fills were associated with reductions in COVID-19 infection of 28% and 20%, respectively. Mortality within 30-days of COVID-19 infection was similarly 33% lower with Vitamin D3 and 25% lower with D2.

            https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-24053-4

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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              #24

              One-a-Day vitamins Men's 50+ gives 88% of daily value Vitamin D

              One-a-Day vitamins Men's 65+ gives 150% of daily value Vitamin D

              I couldn't find 65+ last time, so I bought 50+, I guess I should make an effort to get the 65+

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                What’s particularly interesting is they had lower infection rates, not just better outcomes.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                  Yeah, but how many were Democrats and how many were Republicans?

                  Fascinating.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Very large n (>600k)

                    In the population of US veterans, we show that Vitamin D2 and D3 fills were associated with reductions in COVID-19 infection of 28% and 20%, respectively. Mortality within 30-days of COVID-19 infection was similarly 33% lower with Vitamin D3 and 25% lower with D2.

                    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-24053-4

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                    @jon-nyc said in “Strikingly, 100% of ICU patients less than 75 years old had vitamin D deficiency”:

                    Very large n (>600k)

                    In the population of US veterans, we show that Vitamin D2 and D3 fills were associated with reductions in COVID-19 infection of 28% and 20%, respectively. Mortality within 30-days of COVID-19 infection was similarly 33% lower with Vitamin D3 and 25% lower with D2.

                    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-24053-4

                    What came first, the chicken or the egg?

                    Old people don't eat well and most get inadequate time out in the sun. They tend to have macrocytic anemias and Vitamin D deficiencies.

                    They're not healthy.

                    So...COVID kills old people that are unhealthy to start with...🤪

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                      #28

                      They used a one-to-one match with the control group on all kinds of demographic variables including age.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        Very large n (>600k)

                        In the population of US veterans, we show that Vitamin D2 and D3 fills were associated with reductions in COVID-19 infection of 28% and 20%, respectively. Mortality within 30-days of COVID-19 infection was similarly 33% lower with Vitamin D3 and 25% lower with D2.

                        https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-24053-4

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                        @jon-nyc said in “Strikingly, 100% of ICU patients less than 75 years old had vitamin D deficiency”:

                        Very large n (>600k)

                        In the population of US veterans, we show that Vitamin D2 and D3 fills were associated with reductions in COVID-19 infection of 28% and 20%, respectively. Mortality within 30-days of COVID-19 infection was similarly 33% lower with Vitamin D3 and 25% lower with D2.

                        https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-24053-4

                        Did they adjust for patients that had also taken the prophylactic therapeutic?

                        The Brad

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                          jon-nyc
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                          I get you're trying to diss the vaccine, but I don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make. In my experience 'prophylactic' and 'therapeutic' are distinct and non-overlapping.

                          A prophylactic is a medication or a treatment designed and used to prevent a disease from occurring. Therefore, if the drug is administered before disease onset, it is considered prophylactic, otherwise it is considered therapeutic. Therapeutic group are the subjects on treatment of existing disease, while prophylatic group are subjects receiving preventive measures.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                            Still, the period used in our study has the advantage of preceding the general availability of vaccines and, therefore, may provide better estimates of the association between vitamin D supplementation and COVID-19 infection and mortality.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              I get you're trying to diss the vaccine, but I don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make. In my experience 'prophylactic' and 'therapeutic' are distinct and non-overlapping.

                              A prophylactic is a medication or a treatment designed and used to prevent a disease from occurring. Therefore, if the drug is administered before disease onset, it is considered prophylactic, otherwise it is considered therapeutic. Therapeutic group are the subjects on treatment of existing disease, while prophylatic group are subjects receiving preventive measures.

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                              @jon-nyc said in “Strikingly, 100% of ICU patients less than 75 years old had vitamin D deficiency”:

                              I get you're trying to diss the vaccine, but I don’t really understand the point you’re trying to make. In my experience 'prophylactic' and 'therapeutic' are distinct and non-overlapping.

                              A prophylactic is a medication or a treatment designed and used to prevent a disease from occurring. Therefore, if the drug is administered before disease onset, it is considered prophylactic, otherwise it is considered therapeutic. Therapeutic group are the subjects on treatment of existing disease, while prophylatic group are subjects receiving preventive measures.

                              Unfortunately, there’s not really an established category that encapsulates what this treatment does. It’s primary benefit is not preventing infection, but preventing severe symptom of the infection (like a therapeutic) but it’s only effective if you take it prior to infection (like a prophylactic treatment). As the defining characteristic of a vaccine is the aggregate prevention of transmission and this doesn’t do so, calling it a vaccine isn’t really appropriate… So what do you suggest?

                              The Brad

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