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  • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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    Aqua Letifer
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    #15

    Actually I think we're getting absorbed by another one. We'll see what happens.

    Please love yourself.

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    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      Actually I think we're getting absorbed by another one. We'll see what happens.

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      #16

      @Aqua-Letifer said in Office Politics:

      Actually I think we're getting absorbed by another one. We'll see what happens.

      So, I think you will be able to run both of them!!! šŸ‘

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      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
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        #17

        Ok. I think we need to start a TNCR Book Club with a meeting every Tuesday. White Fragility will be the first book. Aqua, would you mind leading the first book since you are already reading it?

        What chapters should we have read for the first meeting?

        The Brad

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          @Aqua-Letifer said in Office Politics:

          Actually I think we're getting absorbed by another one. We'll see what happens.

          So, I think you will be able to run both of them!!! šŸ‘

          Aqua LetiferA Offline
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          Aqua Letifer
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          #18

          @taiwan_girl said in Office Politics:

          @Aqua-Letifer said in Office Politics:

          Actually I think we're getting absorbed by another one. We'll see what happens.

          So, I think you will be able to run both of them!!! šŸ‘

          Believe it or not but I've managed a team before, and it was awesome. The situation was a bit crap because not only was I directly responsible for my team's output, I also had no managerial authority. But my co-workers knew their stuff so all I did was help them do their work when they got swamped. They got help when they needed it, I got to not get bored by doing different stuff every day, and the work got done. My manager said it was the best team he ever had. I agree although that had very little to do with me.

          I'd be an absolutely crap manager under normal circumstances. I care about producing interesting work, not being responsible for others. Because I don't care about managing nincompoops or bad personalities, I have absolutely no experience with doing that, so I'd be ineffective. Also if my team had legitimate gripes, I'd probably side with them and put myself in jeopardy by caring more about fixing their concerns than productivity.

          Nope, not for me.

          Please love yourself.

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          • RainmanR Offline
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            Rainman
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            #19

            Great comeback, Aqua. They were probably frustrated that they couldn't jump on you like good SJW's.
            Next time, try a tear or two. Just for effect. Especially when you mention HR and central administrators.

            In our school district, all employees, teachers to janitors, had to take Diversity Training i.e., two days on white privelege. Administrators were to take a three-day all-day white privelege indoctrination.

            And, all employees, especially teachers, were to bring this into the classroom, thereby "educating" over 17,000 students.

            It was very weird, seeing all these people confess their sins. But in private, several told me in hushed tones, they found most of it to be absolute BS, but you had to pretend you were a full member.

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              @Aqua-Letifer said in Office Politics:

              I enjoyed the performance Aqua especially because a good time was not had by all.

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              • L Loki

                @Aqua-Letifer said in Office Politics:

                I enjoyed the performance Aqua especially because a good time was not had by all.

                Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                Aqua Letifer
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                #21

                @Loki said in Office Politics:

                @Aqua-Letifer said in Office Politics:

                I enjoyed the performance Aqua especially because a good time was not had by all.

                It's all performance and theater at this point. For the most part I say in meetings what I need to say to protect myself in case things have to get legal, not what I think. It's very tiring and unhealthy.

                Please love yourself.

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                • Catseye3C Catseye3

                  Having not heretofore bothered to check out this White Fragility opus, I just looked at its Amazon page. I couldn't finish reading the blurb. I quit right after "the phenomenon of white fragility and ā€œallows us to understand racism as a practice not restricted to ā€˜bad people’.

                  I'm thinking I have been somewhat clueless about the true bill around here. This book is NUMBER ONE in the Amazon charts. Has 1,777 ratings with 4.5 stars.

                  Holy toledo.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  @Catseye3 said in Office Politics:

                  Having not heretofore bothered to check out this White Fragility opus, I just looked at its Amazon page. I couldn't finish reading the blurb. I quit right after "the phenomenon of white fragility and ā€œallows us to understand racism as a practice not restricted to ā€˜bad people’.

                  I'm thinking I have been somewhat clueless about the true bill around here. This book is NUMBER ONE in the Amazon charts. Has 1,777 ratings with 4.5 stars.

                  Holy toledo.

                  Do keep up. How are you going to know who to oppress it you ain't woke...

                  ā€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!ā€

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • F Offline
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                    Friday
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                    #23

                    Aqua you must be one good actor. I don't know how you said all that without breaking.

                    Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
                    • F Friday

                      Aqua you must be one good actor. I don't know how you said all that without breaking.

                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                      Aqua Letifer
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                      #24

                      @Friday said in Office Politics:

                      Aqua you must be one good actor. I don't know how you said all that without breaking.

                      It's not that. A lot of this officially started when my old boss accused me of bullying and intimidating her in the office. Yeah, my boss. My superior. She went to HR about it. They took it very seriously. What it was, I found out our department had no professional development budget because this woman had spent it all on herself. She also changed our performance evaluations of her to make herself sound better. Real wild stuff. And I confronted her about this. That was me intimidating and bullying her. She felt unsafe in the office, she said.

                      She "resigned" six months later but that doesn't mean I didn't have to go through the HR charade. Oh! Well I want to thank you all for bringing this to my attention, and for taking the time to discuss it so that we can iron out any misunderstandings, I really appreciate blah fucking blah.

                      All my meetings are theatre now. They're gross. My boss and I are trying to coordinate our quitting and we're sending each other job leads. It's messed up shit.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        jon-nyc
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                        #25

                        Hey Aqua -

                        Read Matt Taibi’s review.

                        https://taibbi.substack.com/p/on-white-fragility

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
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                          #26

                          Good read.

                          I’m not sure it’s possible to overstate how the left’s fetishization of race has poisoned our culture and created permanent divides. It’s among the most disappointing things I’ve witnessed over my lifetime, to see normal and decent folk get so unequivocally behind that bankrupt messaging.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            Good read.

                            I’m not sure it’s possible to overstate how the left’s fetishization of race has poisoned our culture and created permanent divides. It’s among the most disappointing things I’ve witnessed over my lifetime, to see normal and decent folk get so unequivocally behind that bankrupt messaging.

                            RainmanR Offline
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                            Rainman
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #27

                            @Horace said in Office Politics:

                            Good read.

                            I’m not sure it’s possible to overstate how the left’s fetishization of race has poisoned our culture and created permanent divides. It’s among the most disappointing things I’ve witnessed over my lifetime, to see normal and decent folk get so unequivocally behind that bankrupt messaging.

                            Agree, nicely put, Horace.
                            Hope you're wrong about "permanent divides."
                            How much longer, and how much worse, can it get(?).

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                            • 89th8 Offline
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                              89th
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                              #28

                              Agreed, @Horace (and @Rainman).

                              Maybe I'm naive or optimistic, but over the last month or two I've taken time to notice interactions I've had with folks of all backgrounds, white, black, asian, latino, etc. All of them have been normal, civilized, and positive. All.

                              Whether it was at the grocery store, or on the running path, in the lobby of my condo, or even one point where I had an extra sandwich from Dunkin Donuts while driving and happened to stop where a (black) panhandler was asking for money. I gave him the sandwich, he was really happy (and we exchanged some nice words) and moved on.

                              Nearly every interaction I have with others is great...which makes me think (and still believe) the unrest you see amplified (I repeat, AMPLIFIED) by the media (and social media) is just the loudest voice out there but not reflective of the vast majority of society. Generally speaking, if you're out in public and you need help changing a tire, jumping a battery, or moving a heavy box, and you ask someone for help, they'll help. Regardless of color.

                              And this gives me the hope that the divides you see in the media aren't permanent and are NOT common.

                              And while I don't live in the ghetto of DC, I do live in an area where being white is a minority. Check out the map below:

                              5e292c24-9623-45d0-8ef1-0f0b98ab734d-image.png

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                              • HoraceH Offline
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                                Horace
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                                #29

                                Good to hear @89th. That’s encouraging.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  Good read.

                                  I’m not sure it’s possible to overstate how the left’s fetishization of race has poisoned our culture and created permanent divides. It’s among the most disappointing things I’ve witnessed over my lifetime, to see normal and decent folk get so unequivocally behind that bankrupt messaging.

                                  CopperC Offline
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                                  Copper
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                                  #30

                                  @Horace said in Office Politics:

                                  Good read.

                                  I’m not sure it’s possible to overstate how the left’s fetishization of race has poisoned our culture and created permanent divides. It’s among the most disappointing things I’ve witnessed over my lifetime, to see normal and decent folk get so unequivocally behind that bankrupt messaging.

                                  https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/06/driving_conservatives_underground.html?fbclid=IwAR2V5IUT_BQHFkpTo94WqKyEi6TIBOEN1y3CcrTBnwuj55n3HNpDL1sTGbc

                                  June 29, 2020

                                  Driving Conservatives Underground

                                  By Fletch Daniels

                                  Cultural tyranny reigns in America, the last step before full-fledged political tyranny.

                                  Lurking beneath the surface of virtue signaling leftists are tyrants seeking to exert their will over those they despise. The defining leftist culture enables them to ruthlessly use all the power at their disposal, both real and imagined, to enforce a single acceptable viewpoint on society.

                                  In some geographic areas, this is more obvious than in others, but no area will ultimately be spared. This week, my wife volunteered during the Virginia Republican primary. As people came by the booth to get information on the candidates, she offered these Republican voters an opportunity to sign up for yard signs. Most whispered that they could never put something like that up in their neighborhood. That’s understandable. Unless a family is willing to stand guard 24/7 over their property, a Trump bumper sticker or sign here is a risky proposition at best.

                                  And so the Northern Virginia neighborhoods surrounding us are dotted with almost exclusively Democrat yard signs and the ubiquitous and unintentionally ironic ā€œHate has No Home Hereā€ signs that literally blare that their home is a sanctuary of vile hatred and small-minded contempt.

                                  When people can’t put a bumper sticker for their preferred candidate on their car, they have suffered a loss of liberty. No Republicans who have paid even a little bit of attention expect the prevailing powers in Democrat areas to safeguard their property, or even their lives and liberty. The very reason for establishing a government has been upended. In this area, liberty-minded people almost operate like a secret society sending quiet signals to one another.

                                  Democrats in this country do not feel they need to hide their political allegiance or culturally approved viewpoints. Most never shut up about it, believing they are speaking truth to power, even as they bask in the approval of the corrupt and wicked power centers.

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                                  • CopperC Copper

                                    @Horace said in Office Politics:

                                    Good read.

                                    I’m not sure it’s possible to overstate how the left’s fetishization of race has poisoned our culture and created permanent divides. It’s among the most disappointing things I’ve witnessed over my lifetime, to see normal and decent folk get so unequivocally behind that bankrupt messaging.

                                    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/06/driving_conservatives_underground.html?fbclid=IwAR2V5IUT_BQHFkpTo94WqKyEi6TIBOEN1y3CcrTBnwuj55n3HNpDL1sTGbc

                                    June 29, 2020

                                    Driving Conservatives Underground

                                    By Fletch Daniels

                                    Cultural tyranny reigns in America, the last step before full-fledged political tyranny.

                                    Lurking beneath the surface of virtue signaling leftists are tyrants seeking to exert their will over those they despise. The defining leftist culture enables them to ruthlessly use all the power at their disposal, both real and imagined, to enforce a single acceptable viewpoint on society.

                                    In some geographic areas, this is more obvious than in others, but no area will ultimately be spared. This week, my wife volunteered during the Virginia Republican primary. As people came by the booth to get information on the candidates, she offered these Republican voters an opportunity to sign up for yard signs. Most whispered that they could never put something like that up in their neighborhood. That’s understandable. Unless a family is willing to stand guard 24/7 over their property, a Trump bumper sticker or sign here is a risky proposition at best.

                                    And so the Northern Virginia neighborhoods surrounding us are dotted with almost exclusively Democrat yard signs and the ubiquitous and unintentionally ironic ā€œHate has No Home Hereā€ signs that literally blare that their home is a sanctuary of vile hatred and small-minded contempt.

                                    When people can’t put a bumper sticker for their preferred candidate on their car, they have suffered a loss of liberty. No Republicans who have paid even a little bit of attention expect the prevailing powers in Democrat areas to safeguard their property, or even their lives and liberty. The very reason for establishing a government has been upended. In this area, liberty-minded people almost operate like a secret society sending quiet signals to one another.

                                    Democrats in this country do not feel they need to hide their political allegiance or culturally approved viewpoints. Most never shut up about it, believing they are speaking truth to power, even as they bask in the approval of the corrupt and wicked power centers.

                                    ImprovisoI Offline
                                    ImprovisoI Offline
                                    Improviso
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                                    @Copper said in Office Politics:

                                    @Horace said in Office Politics:

                                    Good read.

                                    I’m not sure it’s possible to overstate how the left’s fetishization of race has poisoned our culture and created permanent divides. It’s among the most disappointing things I’ve witnessed over my lifetime, to see normal and decent folk get so unequivocally behind that bankrupt messaging.

                                    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/06/driving_conservatives_underground.html?fbclid=IwAR2V5IUT_BQHFkpTo94WqKyEi6TIBOEN1y3CcrTBnwuj55n3HNpDL1sTGbc

                                    June 29, 2020

                                    Driving Conservatives Underground

                                    By Fletch Daniels

                                    Cultural tyranny reigns in America, the last step before full-fledged political tyranny.

                                    Lurking beneath the surface of virtue signaling leftists are tyrants seeking to exert their will over those they despise. The defining leftist culture enables them to ruthlessly use all the power at their disposal, both real and imagined, to enforce a single acceptable viewpoint on society.

                                    In some geographic areas, this is more obvious than in others, but no area will ultimately be spared. This week, my wife volunteered during the Virginia Republican primary. As people came by the booth to get information on the candidates, she offered these Republican voters an opportunity to sign up for yard signs. Most whispered that they could never put something like that up in their neighborhood. That’s understandable. Unless a family is willing to stand guard 24/7 over their property, a Trump bumper sticker or sign here is a risky proposition at best.

                                    And so the Northern Virginia neighborhoods surrounding us are dotted with almost exclusively Democrat yard signs and the ubiquitous and unintentionally ironic ā€œHate has No Home Hereā€ signs that literally blare that their home is a sanctuary of vile hatred and small-minded contempt.

                                    When people can’t put a bumper sticker for their preferred candidate on their car, they have suffered a loss of liberty. No Republicans who have paid even a little bit of attention expect the prevailing powers in Democrat areas to safeguard their property, or even their lives and liberty. The very reason for establishing a government has been upended. In this area, liberty-minded people almost operate like a secret society sending quiet signals to one another.

                                    Democrats in this country do not feel they need to hide their political allegiance or culturally approved viewpoints. Most never shut up about it, believing they are speaking truth to power, even as they bask in the approval of the corrupt and wicked power centers.

                                    Which is exactly why the polls, which have Biden leading, are absolute BULLSHIT.

                                    Much like the polls 4 years ago.

                                    We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                                    Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                                      Jolly
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                                      How dare you post something from American Thinker. I've been told here several times it's balderdash...

                                      ā€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!ā€

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        The mother of all bad reviews:

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          The mother of all bad reviews:

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                                          @jon-nyc said in Office Politics:

                                          The mother of all bad reviews:


                                          Jon, when you post a twitter something, could you try leaving an empty line, then paste the link on the third line? Your link does not show, unless I quote your post, then I see it. Maybe leaving some blank line(s) will somehow make it appear.

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