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  • Catseye3C Offline
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    Catseye3
    wrote on last edited by Catseye3
    #7

    Having not heretofore bothered to check out this White Fragility opus, I just looked at its Amazon page. I couldn't finish reading the blurb. I quit right after "the phenomenon of white fragility and “allows us to understand racism as a practice not restricted to ‘bad people’.

    I'm thinking I have been somewhat clueless about the true bill around here. This book is NUMBER ONE in the Amazon charts. Has 1,777 ratings with 4.5 stars.

    Holy toledo.

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      @Horace said in Office Politics:

      I've been running through my head my response should I ever be put on the spot like that. I intend to express my contempt via a ridiculous satire of how awful white people are, if it ever comes to it. I am confident that I can make my point right out loud and it will be invisible against the backdrop of the heartfelt noises the True Believers are making.

      If I had to or wanted to actually stay here long-term, I'd probably choose a different tack. But because I'm doing everything I can to leave, I figured, hey, might as well use this farce to imply the general truth that my co-workers are ignorant and that my boss is a tyrant.

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      Horace
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      #8

      @Aqua-Letifer said in Office Politics:

      @Horace said in Office Politics:

      I've been running through my head my response should I ever be put on the spot like that. I intend to express my contempt via a ridiculous satire of how awful white people are, if it ever comes to it. I am confident that I can make my point right out loud and it will be invisible against the backdrop of the heartfelt noises the True Believers are making.

      If I had to or wanted to actually stay here long-term, I'd probably choose a different tack. But because I'm doing everything I can to leave, I figured, hey, might as well use this farce to imply the general truth that my co-workers are ignorant and that my boss is a tyrant.

      Yeah I barely have to veer into exaggeration, come to think of it. I can just flat out say that I think white people are by and large imbeciles these days.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by Mik
        #9

        While it is a bit far fetched, the closest thing to what is happening now is if the Jews themselves had initiated and run the Holocaust because the Germans told them they were all bad.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          While it is a bit far fetched, the closest thing to what is happening now is if the Jews themselves had initiated and run the Holocaust because the Germans told them they were all bad.

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          Aqua Letifer
          wrote on last edited by
          #10

          @Mik said in Office Politics:

          While it is a bit far fetched, the closest thing to what is happening now is if the Jews themselves had initiated and run the Holocaust because the Germans told them they were all bad.

          Solzhenitsyn. It's basically his story exactly. We're just at the start of it is all.

          Please love yourself.

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          • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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            Doctor Phibes
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            #11

            If this is honestly the worst thing to happen to you at work, you're lucky indeed.

            There's a reason they call it work rather than fun, and pay you to come in rather than charge admission.

            My boss has an enormous picture of the Kool-Aid guy on his shelf to remind him of unspecified things which I won't go into.

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              If this is honestly the worst thing to happen to you at work, you're lucky indeed.

              There's a reason they call it work rather than fun, and pay you to come in rather than charge admission.

              My boss has an enormous picture of the Kool-Aid guy on his shelf to remind him of unspecified things which I won't go into.

              Aqua LetiferA Offline
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              Aqua Letifer
              wrote on last edited by
              #12

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Office Politics:

              If this is honestly the worst thing to happen to you at work, you're lucky indeed.

              There's a reason they call it work rather than fun, and pay you to come in rather than charge admission.

              My boss has an enormous picture of the Kool-Aid guy on his shelf to remind him of unspecified things which I won't go into.

              It's not the worst thing, not by far. It's just the latest thing that has to do with things we've spoken about here.

              Please love yourself.

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              • 89th8 Offline
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                89th
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                @Aqua-Letifer That was awesome, but not surprising. "So in the words of my POC bretheren, I am no longer keeping it real." 😆

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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  #14

                  Aqua, you're going to be running that company 6 months from now.

                  I was only joking

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                  • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                    Aqua Letifer
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                    #15

                    Actually I think we're getting absorbed by another one. We'll see what happens.

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                      Actually I think we're getting absorbed by another one. We'll see what happens.

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                      #16

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Office Politics:

                      Actually I think we're getting absorbed by another one. We'll see what happens.

                      So, I think you will be able to run both of them!!! 👍

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                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                        LuFins Dad
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                        #17

                        Ok. I think we need to start a TNCR Book Club with a meeting every Tuesday. White Fragility will be the first book. Aqua, would you mind leading the first book since you are already reading it?

                        What chapters should we have read for the first meeting?

                        The Brad

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                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Office Politics:

                          Actually I think we're getting absorbed by another one. We'll see what happens.

                          So, I think you will be able to run both of them!!! 👍

                          Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                          Aqua Letifer
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                          @taiwan_girl said in Office Politics:

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Office Politics:

                          Actually I think we're getting absorbed by another one. We'll see what happens.

                          So, I think you will be able to run both of them!!! 👍

                          Believe it or not but I've managed a team before, and it was awesome. The situation was a bit crap because not only was I directly responsible for my team's output, I also had no managerial authority. But my co-workers knew their stuff so all I did was help them do their work when they got swamped. They got help when they needed it, I got to not get bored by doing different stuff every day, and the work got done. My manager said it was the best team he ever had. I agree although that had very little to do with me.

                          I'd be an absolutely crap manager under normal circumstances. I care about producing interesting work, not being responsible for others. Because I don't care about managing nincompoops or bad personalities, I have absolutely no experience with doing that, so I'd be ineffective. Also if my team had legitimate gripes, I'd probably side with them and put myself in jeopardy by caring more about fixing their concerns than productivity.

                          Nope, not for me.

                          Please love yourself.

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                          • RainmanR Offline
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                            Rainman
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                            #19

                            Great comeback, Aqua. They were probably frustrated that they couldn't jump on you like good SJW's.
                            Next time, try a tear or two. Just for effect. Especially when you mention HR and central administrators.

                            In our school district, all employees, teachers to janitors, had to take Diversity Training i.e., two days on white privelege. Administrators were to take a three-day all-day white privelege indoctrination.

                            And, all employees, especially teachers, were to bring this into the classroom, thereby "educating" over 17,000 students.

                            It was very weird, seeing all these people confess their sins. But in private, several told me in hushed tones, they found most of it to be absolute BS, but you had to pretend you were a full member.

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                              Loki
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                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Office Politics:

                              I enjoyed the performance Aqua especially because a good time was not had by all.

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                              • L Loki

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Office Politics:

                                I enjoyed the performance Aqua especially because a good time was not had by all.

                                Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                                Aqua Letifer
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                                #21

                                @Loki said in Office Politics:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Office Politics:

                                I enjoyed the performance Aqua especially because a good time was not had by all.

                                It's all performance and theater at this point. For the most part I say in meetings what I need to say to protect myself in case things have to get legal, not what I think. It's very tiring and unhealthy.

                                Please love yourself.

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                                • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                  Having not heretofore bothered to check out this White Fragility opus, I just looked at its Amazon page. I couldn't finish reading the blurb. I quit right after "the phenomenon of white fragility and “allows us to understand racism as a practice not restricted to ‘bad people’.

                                  I'm thinking I have been somewhat clueless about the true bill around here. This book is NUMBER ONE in the Amazon charts. Has 1,777 ratings with 4.5 stars.

                                  Holy toledo.

                                  JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #22

                                  @Catseye3 said in Office Politics:

                                  Having not heretofore bothered to check out this White Fragility opus, I just looked at its Amazon page. I couldn't finish reading the blurb. I quit right after "the phenomenon of white fragility and “allows us to understand racism as a practice not restricted to ‘bad people’.

                                  I'm thinking I have been somewhat clueless about the true bill around here. This book is NUMBER ONE in the Amazon charts. Has 1,777 ratings with 4.5 stars.

                                  Holy toledo.

                                  Do keep up. How are you going to know who to oppress it you ain't woke...

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    Friday
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                                    #23

                                    Aqua you must be one good actor. I don't know how you said all that without breaking.

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                                    • F Friday

                                      Aqua you must be one good actor. I don't know how you said all that without breaking.

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                                      Aqua Letifer
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #24

                                      @Friday said in Office Politics:

                                      Aqua you must be one good actor. I don't know how you said all that without breaking.

                                      It's not that. A lot of this officially started when my old boss accused me of bullying and intimidating her in the office. Yeah, my boss. My superior. She went to HR about it. They took it very seriously. What it was, I found out our department had no professional development budget because this woman had spent it all on herself. She also changed our performance evaluations of her to make herself sound better. Real wild stuff. And I confronted her about this. That was me intimidating and bullying her. She felt unsafe in the office, she said.

                                      She "resigned" six months later but that doesn't mean I didn't have to go through the HR charade. Oh! Well I want to thank you all for bringing this to my attention, and for taking the time to discuss it so that we can iron out any misunderstandings, I really appreciate blah fucking blah.

                                      All my meetings are theatre now. They're gross. My boss and I are trying to coordinate our quitting and we're sending each other job leads. It's messed up shit.

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        #25

                                        Hey Aqua -

                                        Read Matt Taibi’s review.

                                        https://taibbi.substack.com/p/on-white-fragility

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                          Horace
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                                          Good read.

                                          I’m not sure it’s possible to overstate how the left’s fetishization of race has poisoned our culture and created permanent divides. It’s among the most disappointing things I’ve witnessed over my lifetime, to see normal and decent folk get so unequivocally behind that bankrupt messaging.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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