Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon
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wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 14:06 last edited by
Would be a fun spectacle to listen to a debate between John McWhorter, another black linguistics professor, and this moron.
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Would be a fun spectacle to listen to a debate between John McWhorter, another black linguistics professor, and this moron.
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She also blithely ignores the many genocidal campaigns we have seen within post-colonial Africa, and the child soldier and slaves we see to this day.
wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 19:33 last edited by@Mik said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
She also blithely ignores the many genocidal campaigns we have seen within post-colonial Africa, and the child soldier and slaves we see to this day.
That’s the result of the colonization, don’t you know.
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wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 22:28 last edited by
He might be a (he), but he’s still a stupid twat
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wrote on 9 Sept 2022, 23:16 last edited by
This professor kept her job. Another one, who keeps losing his, had this to say:
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wrote on 10 Sept 2022, 00:11 last edited by
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@George-K said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
“We do not condone the offensive and objectionable messages posted by Uju Anya today on her personal social media account. Free expression is core to the mission of higher education, however, the views she shared absolutely do not represent the values of the institution, nor the standards of discourse we seek to foster.“
Let’s see how that holds up in the future.
It's obvious that she should have been fired for saying that. I would be. Let's hope a conservative member of staff tests their commitment to free speech real soon.
wrote on 10 Sept 2022, 01:12 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
@George-K said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
“We do not condone the offensive and objectionable messages posted by Uju Anya today on her personal social media account. Free expression is core to the mission of higher education, however, the views she shared absolutely do not represent the values of the institution, nor the standards of discourse we seek to foster.“
Let’s see how that holds up in the future.
It's obvious that she should have been fired for saying that. I would be. Let's hope a conservative member of staff tests their commitment to free speech real soon.
I agree.
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@George-K said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
“We do not condone the offensive and objectionable messages posted by Uju Anya today on her personal social media account. Free expression is core to the mission of higher education, however, the views she shared absolutely do not represent the values of the institution, nor the standards of discourse we seek to foster.“
Let’s see how that holds up in the future.
It's obvious that she should have been fired for saying that. I would be. Let's hope a conservative member of staff tests their commitment to free speech real soon.
wrote on 10 Sept 2022, 01:24 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
@George-K said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
“We do not condone the offensive and objectionable messages posted by Uju Anya today on her personal social media account. Free expression is core to the mission of higher education, however, the views she shared absolutely do not represent the values of the institution, nor the standards of discourse we seek to foster.“
Let’s see how that holds up in the future.
It's obvious that she should have been fired for saying that. I would be. Let's hope a conservative member of staff tests their commitment to free speech real soon.
That’s a pretty big leap of faith that there’s even a conservative faculty member…
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wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 07:05 last edited by
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stefficao/uju-anya-queen-elizabeth-death-tweet-reaction
Uju Anya, a professor at Carnegie Mellon University who sparked backlash after her tweet wishing Queen Elizabeth II “excruciating” pain went viral, is defending her position, saying in a statement that “I stand by what I said.”
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“If anyone expects me to express anything but disdain for the monarch who supervised a government that sponsored the genocide that massacred and displaced half my family and the consequences of which those alive today are still trying to overcome, you can keep wishing upon a star,” said Anya in the remaining visible tweet. -
wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 12:58 last edited by George K 9 Dec 2022, 12:58
NPR: Not everyone mourns the queen
Queen Elizabeth II's death has garnered a spectrum of feelings around the world about her life, legacy and the monarchy.
When she took the throne in 1952, more than a quarter of the world's population was under British imperial power. That was more than 700 million people — including in parts of Africa, Asia, the Middle East and the Pacific islands.
While her 70-year reign saw the British Empire become the Commonwealth of Nations — and the decline of the United Kingdom's global influence — the scars of colonialism linger. Many note the enslavement, violence and theft that defined imperial rule, and they find it difficult to separate the individual from the institution and its history.
Moses Ochonu, a professor of African studies at Vanderbilt University, told NPR the queen's death brought attention to "unfinished colonial business."
"There is a sense in which Britain has never fully accounted for its crimes," Ochonu said.
Elizabeth was associated with colonial and de-colonized Britain
The memory of Elizabeth is complicated by the fact that during her rule, more than 20 countries gained independence, Ochonu said.
"It's her dual status as the face of colonialism, but also a symbol of decolonization that defines how she is perceived in many former British African colonies."
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NPR: Not everyone mourns the queen
Queen Elizabeth II's death has garnered a spectrum of feelings around the world about her life, legacy and the monarchy.
When she took the throne in 1952, more than a quarter of the world's population was under British imperial power. That was more than 700 million people — including in parts of Africa, Asia, the Middle East and the Pacific islands.
While her 70-year reign saw the British Empire become the Commonwealth of Nations — and the decline of the United Kingdom's global influence — the scars of colonialism linger. Many note the enslavement, violence and theft that defined imperial rule, and they find it difficult to separate the individual from the institution and its history.
Moses Ochonu, a professor of African studies at Vanderbilt University, told NPR the queen's death brought attention to "unfinished colonial business."
"There is a sense in which Britain has never fully accounted for its crimes," Ochonu said.
Elizabeth was associated with colonial and de-colonized Britain
The memory of Elizabeth is complicated by the fact that during her rule, more than 20 countries gained independence, Ochonu said.
"It's her dual status as the face of colonialism, but also a symbol of decolonization that defines how she is perceived in many former British African colonies."
wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 13:20 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 Dec 2022, 13:20@George-K said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
NPR: Not everyone mourns the queen
Queen Elizabeth II's death has garnered a spectrum of feelings around the world about her life, legacy and the monarchy.
When she took the throne in 1952, more than a quarter of the world's population was under British imperial power. That was more than 700 million people — including in parts of Africa, Asia, the Middle East and the Pacific islands.
While her 70-year reign saw the British Empire become the Commonwealth of Nations — and the decline of the United Kingdom's global influence — the scars of colonialism linger. Many note the enslavement, violence and theft that defined imperial rule, and they find it difficult to separate the individual from the institution and its history.
Moses Ochonu, a professor of African studies at Vanderbilt University, told NPR the queen's death brought attention to "unfinished colonial business."
"There is a sense in which Britain has never fully accounted for its crimes," Ochonu said.
Elizabeth was associated with colonial and de-colonized Britain
The memory of Elizabeth is complicated by the fact that during her rule, more than 20 countries gained independence, Ochonu said.
"It's her dual status as the face of colonialism, but also a symbol of decolonization that defines how she is perceived in many former British African colonies."
It feels like they're just using this as an excuse to try and bring up the same topic again.
Presumably, Moses Ochonu left Nigeria to get a well-paid job in the West from which he can lecture us all on what terrible people we are.
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@George-K said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
NPR: Not everyone mourns the queen
Queen Elizabeth II's death has garnered a spectrum of feelings around the world about her life, legacy and the monarchy.
When she took the throne in 1952, more than a quarter of the world's population was under British imperial power. That was more than 700 million people — including in parts of Africa, Asia, the Middle East and the Pacific islands.
While her 70-year reign saw the British Empire become the Commonwealth of Nations — and the decline of the United Kingdom's global influence — the scars of colonialism linger. Many note the enslavement, violence and theft that defined imperial rule, and they find it difficult to separate the individual from the institution and its history.
Moses Ochonu, a professor of African studies at Vanderbilt University, told NPR the queen's death brought attention to "unfinished colonial business."
"There is a sense in which Britain has never fully accounted for its crimes," Ochonu said.
Elizabeth was associated with colonial and de-colonized Britain
The memory of Elizabeth is complicated by the fact that during her rule, more than 20 countries gained independence, Ochonu said.
"It's her dual status as the face of colonialism, but also a symbol of decolonization that defines how she is perceived in many former British African colonies."
It feels like they're just using this as an excuse to try and bring up the same topic again.
Presumably, Moses Ochonu left Nigeria to get a well-paid job in the West from which he can lecture us all on what terrible people we are.
wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 13:37 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
Moses Ochonu left Nigeria
Funny enough. You called it.
Moses Ebe Ochonu is a Nigerian academic, historian, author and professor of African History at Vanderbilt University, Nashville, Tennessee. He has been the Cornelius Vanderbilt Chair in History since 2017.
Ochonu was born in Benue State, and he attended Bayero University Kano graduating with B.A History in 1997. He received his Ph.D from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan. He was twice a fellow of the American Council of Learned Societies ACLS. His research has also received support from the Harry Frank Guggenheim Foundation, the British Library, the National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH), the Ford Foundation and the American Historical Association.
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wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 13:43 last edited by
The Roman empire was far more brutal. Why don't they hate the Italians?
Maybe they do. They are white.
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wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 13:50 last edited by
I'm guessing the woman from Carnegie-Mellon is referring to British support of the Nigerian government during the Civil War.
I don't suppose the Queen had a whole lot of involvement in that decision, but Harold Wilson is already dead, and nobody in America would have a clue who he was anyway so she wouldn't get any Twitter attention.
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wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 14:11 last edited by
Am hearing similar criticisms of the British monarchy albeit nothing nearly as rabid against the person as Anya’s spew, from various minorities and interest groups in this country. Most notably certain indigenous leaders and groups who feel compelled to demand apologies and, ostensibly, financial reparations, for past injustices.
Sign of the times I guess.
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The Roman empire was far more brutal. Why don't they hate the Italians?
Maybe they do. They are white.
wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 17:48 last edited by@Mik said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
The Roman empire was far more brutal. Why don't they hate the Italians?
Maybe they do. They are white.
Critics of "colonizers" seem to forget pretty much every country (including wherever they are from) was formed as the result of people...fighting...people, until someone gained control and (eventually) lost control. Happens time after time. Usually bloody. The US did it to Indians, who had done it to each other for thousands of year prior. Same with African tribes and civilizations, in Nigeria too. One country is seeking control of (and the resources within) another area of land. I guess now that it's 2022 we can look back with judging eyes, but this is the reality.
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wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 17:54 last edited by
It’s similar to complaints about politicians and how the decent honest and principled people never win elections. All such complaints and conversations start and end from stupidity. You have to realize first that no fantastical ideal of a politician, or in this analogy a culture, would ever ascend to a top spot where we care enough about them to judge them.
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@Mik said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
The Roman empire was far more brutal. Why don't they hate the Italians?
Maybe they do. They are white.
Critics of "colonizers" seem to forget pretty much every country (including wherever they are from) was formed as the result of people...fighting...people, until someone gained control and (eventually) lost control. Happens time after time. Usually bloody. The US did it to Indians, who had done it to each other for thousands of year prior. Same with African tribes and civilizations, in Nigeria too. One country is seeking control of (and the resources within) another area of land. I guess now that it's 2022 we can look back with judging eyes, but this is the reality.
wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 17:56 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 Dec 2022, 17:59@89th said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
@Mik said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
The Roman empire was far more brutal. Why don't they hate the Italians?
Maybe they do. They are white.
Critics of "colonizers" seem to forget pretty much every country (including wherever they are from) was formed as the result of people...fighting...people, until someone gained control and (eventually) lost control. Happens time after time. Usually bloody. The US did it to Indians, who had done it to each other for thousands of year prior. Same with African tribes and civilizations, in Nigeria too. One country is seeking control of (and the resources within) another area of land. I guess now that it's 2022 we can look back with judging eyes, but this is the reality.
To be fair, when I was a kid, we learned quite a bit about the glories of the British Empire, but not much was said about the atrocities committed. I think a balanced teaching of the subject is definitely called for. I don't trust the folks at Carnegie-Mellon to provide that. Their one-sided account is just as bad as Land of Hope and Glory and God Save the King! I do see a bit of the latter from some of my more clueless countrymen on Facebook.
The Brits did some terrible things, and we shouldn't pretend otherwise. Neither should we pretend that it was all very simple and one-sided.
A lot of this goes away if we just see people as people. Uju Anya isn't thinking of the Queen as a human being, mother, grandmother, etc. with a sense of humour and loving family. The same could be said of the folks who left Britain to bring African slaves to the Americas.
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@89th said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
@Mik said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:
The Roman empire was far more brutal. Why don't they hate the Italians?
Maybe they do. They are white.
Critics of "colonizers" seem to forget pretty much every country (including wherever they are from) was formed as the result of people...fighting...people, until someone gained control and (eventually) lost control. Happens time after time. Usually bloody. The US did it to Indians, who had done it to each other for thousands of year prior. Same with African tribes and civilizations, in Nigeria too. One country is seeking control of (and the resources within) another area of land. I guess now that it's 2022 we can look back with judging eyes, but this is the reality.
To be fair, when I was a kid, we learned quite a bit about the glories of the British Empire, but not much was said about the atrocities committed. I think a balanced teaching of the subject is definitely called for. I don't trust the folks at Carnegie-Mellon to provide that. Their one-sided account is just as bad as Land of Hope and Glory and God Save the King! I do see a bit of the latter from some of my more clueless countrymen on Facebook.
The Brits did some terrible things, and we shouldn't pretend otherwise. Neither should we pretend that it was all very simple and one-sided.
A lot of this goes away if we just see people as people. Uju Anya isn't thinking of the Queen as a human being, mother, grandmother, etc. with a sense of humour and loving family. The same could be said of the folks who left Britain to bring African slaves to the Americas.
wrote on 12 Sept 2022, 17:59 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes
It may be that as good-hearted as it is to chant 'God Save the King', a more useful slogan might be 'God Help the King to Not Screw Up Too Much'.
