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  • MikM Away
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    Mik
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    She also blithely ignores the many genocidal campaigns we have seen within post-colonial Africa, and the child soldier and slaves we see to this day.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      She also blithely ignores the many genocidal campaigns we have seen within post-colonial Africa, and the child soldier and slaves we see to this day.

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      The idea that the Queen had any responsibility for atrocities that may have been committed by the British empire is asinine. She's a symbolic figure, and to wish a slow, agonizing death on her personally is not to attack the symbol, but the human being.

      She's too stupid to be a professor if she doesn't get this.

      I was only joking

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
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        I think we have established that, certainly.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          Horace
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          Destructive righteousness and rationality are always at odds. Otherwise nature wouldn't have needed to evolve this whole righteous destructiveness thing. It's hardly relegated to idiotic professors, though they seem to be a replenishing reservoir of it.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Horace
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            Would be a fun spectacle to listen to a debate between John McWhorter, another black linguistics professor, and this moron.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              Would be a fun spectacle to listen to a debate between John McWhorter, another black linguistics professor, and this moron.

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              Doctor Phibes
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              @Horace said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:

              fun

              91e4cd7c-7c6b-4374-8ec9-1d7f5e9c7710-image.png

              I was only joking

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              • MikM Mik

                She also blithely ignores the many genocidal campaigns we have seen within post-colonial Africa, and the child soldier and slaves we see to this day.

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                @Mik said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:

                She also blithely ignores the many genocidal campaigns we have seen within post-colonial Africa, and the child soldier and slaves we see to this day.

                That’s the result of the colonization, don’t you know.

                The Brad

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  Stay Classy, UCLA:

                  Screen Shot 2022-09-09 at 4.57.10 PM.png

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    Stay Classy, UCLA:

                    Screen Shot 2022-09-09 at 4.57.10 PM.png

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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    He might be a (he), but he’s still a stupid twat

                    I was only joking

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                      Aqua Letifer
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                      #22

                      This professor kept her job. Another one, who keeps losing his, had this to say:

                      Link to video

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        #23

                        Not a real Norm McDonald quip, of course, but still accurate:

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          @George-K said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:

                          “We do not condone the offensive and objectionable messages posted by Uju Anya today on her personal social media account. Free expression is core to the mission of higher education, however, the views she shared absolutely do not represent the values of the institution, nor the standards of discourse we seek to foster.“

                          Let’s see how that holds up in the future.

                          It's obvious that she should have been fired for saying that. I would be. Let's hope a conservative member of staff tests their commitment to free speech real soon.

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                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:

                          @George-K said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:

                          “We do not condone the offensive and objectionable messages posted by Uju Anya today on her personal social media account. Free expression is core to the mission of higher education, however, the views she shared absolutely do not represent the values of the institution, nor the standards of discourse we seek to foster.“

                          Let’s see how that holds up in the future.

                          It's obvious that she should have been fired for saying that. I would be. Let's hope a conservative member of staff tests their commitment to free speech real soon.

                          I agree.

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            @George-K said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:

                            “We do not condone the offensive and objectionable messages posted by Uju Anya today on her personal social media account. Free expression is core to the mission of higher education, however, the views she shared absolutely do not represent the values of the institution, nor the standards of discourse we seek to foster.“

                            Let’s see how that holds up in the future.

                            It's obvious that she should have been fired for saying that. I would be. Let's hope a conservative member of staff tests their commitment to free speech real soon.

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                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:

                            @George-K said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:

                            “We do not condone the offensive and objectionable messages posted by Uju Anya today on her personal social media account. Free expression is core to the mission of higher education, however, the views she shared absolutely do not represent the values of the institution, nor the standards of discourse we seek to foster.“

                            Let’s see how that holds up in the future.

                            It's obvious that she should have been fired for saying that. I would be. Let's hope a conservative member of staff tests their commitment to free speech real soon.

                            That’s a pretty big leap of faith that there’s even a conservative faculty member…

                            The Brad

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                              https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stefficao/uju-anya-queen-elizabeth-death-tweet-reaction

                              Uju Anya, a professor at Carnegie Mellon University who sparked backlash after her tweet wishing Queen Elizabeth II “excruciating” pain went viral, is defending her position, saying in a statement that “I stand by what I said.”
                              …
                              “If anyone expects me to express anything but disdain for the monarch who supervised a government that sponsored the genocide that massacred and displaced half my family and the consequences of which those alive today are still trying to overcome, you can keep wishing upon a star,” said Anya in the remaining visible tweet.

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                                George K
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                                #27

                                NPR: Not everyone mourns the queen

                                Queen Elizabeth II's death has garnered a spectrum of feelings around the world about her life, legacy and the monarchy.

                                When she took the throne in 1952, more than a quarter of the world's population was under British imperial power. That was more than 700 million people — including in parts of Africa, Asia, the Middle East and the Pacific islands.

                                While her 70-year reign saw the British Empire become the Commonwealth of Nations — and the decline of the United Kingdom's global influence — the scars of colonialism linger. Many note the enslavement, violence and theft that defined imperial rule, and they find it difficult to separate the individual from the institution and its history.

                                Moses Ochonu, a professor of African studies at Vanderbilt University, told NPR the queen's death brought attention to "unfinished colonial business."

                                "There is a sense in which Britain has never fully accounted for its crimes," Ochonu said.

                                Elizabeth was associated with colonial and de-colonized Britain

                                The memory of Elizabeth is complicated by the fact that during her rule, more than 20 countries gained independence, Ochonu said.

                                "It's her dual status as the face of colonialism, but also a symbol of decolonization that defines how she is perceived in many former British African colonies."

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  NPR: Not everyone mourns the queen

                                  Queen Elizabeth II's death has garnered a spectrum of feelings around the world about her life, legacy and the monarchy.

                                  When she took the throne in 1952, more than a quarter of the world's population was under British imperial power. That was more than 700 million people — including in parts of Africa, Asia, the Middle East and the Pacific islands.

                                  While her 70-year reign saw the British Empire become the Commonwealth of Nations — and the decline of the United Kingdom's global influence — the scars of colonialism linger. Many note the enslavement, violence and theft that defined imperial rule, and they find it difficult to separate the individual from the institution and its history.

                                  Moses Ochonu, a professor of African studies at Vanderbilt University, told NPR the queen's death brought attention to "unfinished colonial business."

                                  "There is a sense in which Britain has never fully accounted for its crimes," Ochonu said.

                                  Elizabeth was associated with colonial and de-colonized Britain

                                  The memory of Elizabeth is complicated by the fact that during her rule, more than 20 countries gained independence, Ochonu said.

                                  "It's her dual status as the face of colonialism, but also a symbol of decolonization that defines how she is perceived in many former British African colonies."

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                                  @George-K said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:

                                  NPR: Not everyone mourns the queen

                                  Queen Elizabeth II's death has garnered a spectrum of feelings around the world about her life, legacy and the monarchy.

                                  When she took the throne in 1952, more than a quarter of the world's population was under British imperial power. That was more than 700 million people — including in parts of Africa, Asia, the Middle East and the Pacific islands.

                                  While her 70-year reign saw the British Empire become the Commonwealth of Nations — and the decline of the United Kingdom's global influence — the scars of colonialism linger. Many note the enslavement, violence and theft that defined imperial rule, and they find it difficult to separate the individual from the institution and its history.

                                  Moses Ochonu, a professor of African studies at Vanderbilt University, told NPR the queen's death brought attention to "unfinished colonial business."

                                  "There is a sense in which Britain has never fully accounted for its crimes," Ochonu said.

                                  Elizabeth was associated with colonial and de-colonized Britain

                                  The memory of Elizabeth is complicated by the fact that during her rule, more than 20 countries gained independence, Ochonu said.

                                  "It's her dual status as the face of colonialism, but also a symbol of decolonization that defines how she is perceived in many former British African colonies."

                                  It feels like they're just using this as an excuse to try and bring up the same topic again.

                                  Presumably, Moses Ochonu left Nigeria to get a well-paid job in the West from which he can lecture us all on what terrible people we are.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @George-K said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:

                                    NPR: Not everyone mourns the queen

                                    Queen Elizabeth II's death has garnered a spectrum of feelings around the world about her life, legacy and the monarchy.

                                    When she took the throne in 1952, more than a quarter of the world's population was under British imperial power. That was more than 700 million people — including in parts of Africa, Asia, the Middle East and the Pacific islands.

                                    While her 70-year reign saw the British Empire become the Commonwealth of Nations — and the decline of the United Kingdom's global influence — the scars of colonialism linger. Many note the enslavement, violence and theft that defined imperial rule, and they find it difficult to separate the individual from the institution and its history.

                                    Moses Ochonu, a professor of African studies at Vanderbilt University, told NPR the queen's death brought attention to "unfinished colonial business."

                                    "There is a sense in which Britain has never fully accounted for its crimes," Ochonu said.

                                    Elizabeth was associated with colonial and de-colonized Britain

                                    The memory of Elizabeth is complicated by the fact that during her rule, more than 20 countries gained independence, Ochonu said.

                                    "It's her dual status as the face of colonialism, but also a symbol of decolonization that defines how she is perceived in many former British African colonies."

                                    It feels like they're just using this as an excuse to try and bring up the same topic again.

                                    Presumably, Moses Ochonu left Nigeria to get a well-paid job in the West from which he can lecture us all on what terrible people we are.

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                                    George K
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                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Staying classy at Carnegie-Mellon:

                                    Moses Ochonu left Nigeria

                                    Funny enough. You called it.

                                    Moses Ebe Ochonu is a Nigerian academic, historian, author and professor of African History at Vanderbilt University, Nashville, Tennessee. He has been the Cornelius Vanderbilt Chair in History since 2017.

                                    Ochonu was born in Benue State, and he attended Bayero University Kano graduating with B.A History in 1997. He received his Ph.D from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan. He was twice a fellow of the American Council of Learned Societies ACLS. His research has also received support from the Harry Frank Guggenheim Foundation, the British Library, the National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH), the Ford Foundation and the American Historical Association.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
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                                      The Roman empire was far more brutal. Why don't they hate the Italians?

                                      Maybe they do. They are white.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        I'm guessing the woman from Carnegie-Mellon is referring to British support of the Nigerian government during the Civil War.

                                        I don't suppose the Queen had a whole lot of involvement in that decision, but Harold Wilson is already dead, and nobody in America would have a clue who he was anyway so she wouldn't get any Twitter attention.

                                        I was only joking

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                                          Am hearing similar criticisms of the British monarchy albeit nothing nearly as rabid against the person as Anya’s spew, from various minorities and interest groups in this country. Most notably certain indigenous leaders and groups who feel compelled to demand apologies and, ostensibly, financial reparations, for past injustices.

                                          Sign of the times I guess.

                                          Elbows up!

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