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Hurry Up and Die

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  • CopperC Copper

    If the government is paying for your healthcare, it is in the government's interest for you to die and stop the spending.

    Why is that so hard for you guys to understand?

    This is not a special problem in Canada or the UK. It is simple budgeting.

    Dead people don't consume healthcare. Budget problem solved.

    That works in any country, and you don't have to live there to understand it.

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    Renauda
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    #14

    @Copper

    You know for a bean counter, you are probably right.

    Elbows up!

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    • CopperC Copper

      If the government is paying for your healthcare, it is in the government's interest for you to die and stop the spending.

      Why is that so hard for you guys to understand?

      This is not a special problem in Canada or the UK. It is simple budgeting.

      Dead people don't consume healthcare. Budget problem solved.

      That works in any country, and you don't have to live there to understand it.

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      Catseye3
      wrote on last edited by Catseye3
      #15

      @Copper said in Hurry Up and Die:

      Why is that so hard for you guys to understand?

      Probably explains why the National Institutes of Health are so huge, and such incalculably enormous amounts of money being spent on disease cure and prevention research -- because the government wants all the sick people to die and save them money.

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #16

        Death proponents point out that between 20-30% of money spent on healthcare makes no difference, because it is being spent at the end stage of life ( last 90 days or so). 75% of Americans die in a nursing home or in a hospital.

        I can certainly see the cost savings of euthanasia.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Copper
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          #17

          And don't forget the savings in Social Security.

          You don't have to pay dead people.

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          • CopperC Copper

            And don't forget the savings in Social Security.

            You don't have to pay dead people.

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            Catseye3
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            #18

            @Copper said in Hurry Up and Die:

            And don't forget the savings in Social Security.

            Which will be at least partially offset by all the SS processors being laid off due to attrition and having to go on -- wait for it -- welfare!

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              Jolly
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              #19

              When was the last time the feds had a massive lay-off?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                When was the last time the feds had a massive lay-off?

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                #20

                @Jolly
                Who said anything about massive?

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #21

                  If we're talking about the balancing the savings in SS, it's going to have to be massive.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    If we're talking about the balancing the savings in SS, it's going to have to be massive.

                    Catseye3C Offline
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                    Catseye3
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #22

                    @Jolly
                    But we're not talking about that. That was me explaining to Copper one possible result if the government got what he believes is its wish to let all the sick people die. This will not happen, because we live in a rational world, especially compared to Copper's cockamamie theory. So the exchange is silly to begin with.

                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      #23

                      As I said - whenever Americans talk about foreign healthcare, they're actually talking about American healthcare.

                      Canadian life expectancy: 82 years
                      UK life expectancy: 81 years
                      US life expectancy: 78.7 years

                      I was only joking

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        As I said - whenever Americans talk about foreign healthcare, they're actually talking about American healthcare.

                        Canadian life expectancy: 82 years
                        UK life expectancy: 81 years
                        US life expectancy: 78.7 years

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                        @Doctor-Phibes

                        Yes of course I ought to have realised that. Silly me.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • Catseye3C Catseye3

                          @Jolly
                          But we're not talking about that. That was me explaining to Copper one possible result if the government got what he believes is its wish to let all the sick people die. This will not happen, because we live in a rational world, especially compared to Copper's cockamamie theory. So the exchange is silly to begin with.

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                          Jolly
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                          #25

                          @Catseye3 said in Hurry Up and Die:

                          @Jolly
                          But we're not talking about that. That was me explaining to Copper one possible result if the government got what he believes is its wish to let all the sick people die. This will not happen, because we live in a rational world, especially compared to Copper's cockamamie theory. So the exchange is silly to begin with.

                          It ain't that rational. If and when funds become finite, what is the better use of money, national defense or Medicare? Public education or Medicare? Infrastructure or Medicare?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @Catseye3 said in Hurry Up and Die:

                            @Jolly
                            But we're not talking about that. That was me explaining to Copper one possible result if the government got what he believes is its wish to let all the sick people die. This will not happen, because we live in a rational world, especially compared to Copper's cockamamie theory. So the exchange is silly to begin with.

                            It ain't that rational. If and when funds become finite, what is the better use of money, national defense or Medicare? Public education or Medicare? Infrastructure or Medicare?

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                            @Jolly said in Hurry Up and Die:

                            If and when funds become finite, what is the better use of money, national defense or Medicare?

                            Jesus Christ. What does that have to do with the original point of this thread?

                            I give up. Believe what you need to. Why I persist in debating someone who is less interested in the truth than in having the last word is beyond me.

                            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                              Doctor Phibes
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                              #27

                              American conservatives have yet to find a problem that cannot be solved by encouraging people to buy more guns, and I'm sure the dangers of an aging population are no different in that regard.

                              I was only joking

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                              • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                @Jolly
                                But we're not talking about that. That was me explaining to Copper one possible result if the government got what he believes is its wish to let all the sick people die. This will not happen, because we live in a rational world, especially compared to Copper's cockamamie theory. So the exchange is silly to begin with.

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                                Copper
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                                @Catseye3 said in Hurry Up and Die:

                                Copper's cockamamie theory

                                I said nothing about the government's wishes or intentions, only motivation.

                                The motivation exists, there can be no question about this.

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                                • CopperC Copper

                                  @Catseye3 said in Hurry Up and Die:

                                  Copper's cockamamie theory

                                  I said nothing about the government's wishes or intentions, only motivation.

                                  The motivation exists, there can be no question about this.

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                                  Renauda
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                                  @Copper

                                  Okay so the motivation is cockamamie along with your theory.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                                    @Copper

                                    Okay so the motivation is cockamamie along with your theory.

                                    JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #30

                                    @Renauda said in Hurry Up and Die:

                                    @Copper

                                    Okay so the motivation is cockamamie along with your theory.

                                    Not so.

                                    Are there not numerous incidents in history of allocating resources in times of need? Euthanasia can be looked at in the same way...Copper is correct. The motivation will exist.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                      @Jolly said in Hurry Up and Die:

                                      If and when funds become finite, what is the better use of money, national defense or Medicare?

                                      Jesus Christ. What does that have to do with the original point of this thread?

                                      I give up. Believe what you need to. Why I persist in debating someone who is less interested in the truth than in having the last word is beyond me.

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #31

                                      @Catseye3 said in Hurry Up and Die:

                                      @Jolly said in Hurry Up and Die:

                                      If and when funds become finite, what is the better use of money, national defense or Medicare?

                                      Jesus Christ. What does that have to do with the original point of this thread?

                                      I give up. Believe what you need to. Why I persist in debating someone who is less interested in the truth than in having the last word is beyond me.

                                      Motivation.

                                      Do keep up.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        @Renauda said in Hurry Up and Die:

                                        @Copper

                                        Okay so the motivation is cockamamie along with your theory.

                                        Not so.

                                        Are there not numerous incidents in history of allocating resources in times of need? Euthanasia can be looked at in the same way...Copper is correct. The motivation will exist.

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                                        Renauda
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                                        #32

                                        @Jolly said in Hurry Up and Die:

                                        @Renauda said in Hurry Up and Die:

                                        @Copper

                                        Okay so the motivation is cockamamie along with your theory.

                                        Not so.

                                        Are there not numerous incidents in history of allocating resources in times of need? Euthanasia can be looked at in the same way...Copper is correct. The motivation will exist.

                                        I seem to recall the motivation in this country being widespread public pressure and support for a law that would allow individuals with hopelessly terminal illness to chose the time and manner of their passing. But what would I know, eh?

                                        Like Phibes stated, when Americans talk about foreign health care topics they are actually talking about US health care issues.

                                        Be my guest, but your definition of motivation is just another in the many distractors you throw out to make sure you get last word.

                                        Go ahead and motivate. Knock yourself out.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                                          @Jolly said in Hurry Up and Die:

                                          @Renauda said in Hurry Up and Die:

                                          @Copper

                                          Okay so the motivation is cockamamie along with your theory.

                                          Not so.

                                          Are there not numerous incidents in history of allocating resources in times of need? Euthanasia can be looked at in the same way...Copper is correct. The motivation will exist.

                                          I seem to recall the motivation in this country being widespread public pressure and support for a law that would allow individuals with hopelessly terminal illness to chose the time and manner of their passing. But what would I know, eh?

                                          Like Phibes stated, when Americans talk about foreign health care topics they are actually talking about US health care issues.

                                          Be my guest, but your definition of motivation is just another in the many distractors you throw out to make sure you get last word.

                                          Go ahead and motivate. Knock yourself out.

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                                          Copper
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                                          #33

                                          @Renauda said in Hurry Up and Die:

                                          But what would I know, eh?

                                          Just because you have spent some time there doesn't disqualify anyone else from posting about Canada.

                                          That seems to be your answer for every post that even mentions Canada. You happen to be inside the border, so what?

                                          And money provides motivation, really, ask any Canadian.

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