Mar-a-Lago raided
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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
“Executive privilege” is generally raised contra Congress.
I think the special master is being appointed to ascertain whether there is any attorney-client privileged information in the seized documents, not executive privilege.
As to executive privilege, a court (in 2012) ruled that recordings that Clinton made, while in the White House, were his property, and he could refuse to turn them over. HIs power to declare pretty much anything "personal" is broad.
They were found in his sock drawer.
@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
“Executive privilege” is generally raised contra Congress.
I think the special master is being appointed to ascertain whether there is any attorney-client privileged information in the seized documents, not executive privilege.
As to executive privilege, a court (in 2012) ruled that recordings that Clinton made, while in the White House, were his property, and he could refuse to turn them over. HIs power to declare pretty much anything "personal" is broad.
They were found in his sock drawer.
“His property” /= “covered by executive privilege”
e.g. Trump’s three (?!?) passports. He didn’t say “those are covered by executive privilege”, he said “those are mine”
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Material on foreign nation’s nuclear capabilities seized
Some seized documents were so closely held, only the president, a Cabinet-level or near-Cabinet level official could authorize others to know.
A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month, according to people familiar with the matter, underscoring concerns among U.S. intelligence officials about classified material stashed in the Florida property.
Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation.Documents about such highly classified operations require special clearances on a need-to-know basis, not just top-secret clearance. Some special-access programs can have as few as a couple dozen government personnel authorized to know of an operation’s existence. Records that deal with such programs are kept under lock and key, almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, with a designated control officer to keep careful tabs on their location.
Very disturbing on two accounts:
- If it's true, well then, it's very disturbing.
- Did this leak come from the FBI? If so, that says a lot about the organization. "People familiar with the investigation..."
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Material on foreign nation’s nuclear capabilities seized
Some seized documents were so closely held, only the president, a Cabinet-level or near-Cabinet level official could authorize others to know.
A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month, according to people familiar with the matter, underscoring concerns among U.S. intelligence officials about classified material stashed in the Florida property.
Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation.Documents about such highly classified operations require special clearances on a need-to-know basis, not just top-secret clearance. Some special-access programs can have as few as a couple dozen government personnel authorized to know of an operation’s existence. Records that deal with such programs are kept under lock and key, almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, with a designated control officer to keep careful tabs on their location.
Very disturbing on two accounts:
- If it's true, well then, it's very disturbing.
- Did this leak come from the FBI? If so, that says a lot about the organization. "People familiar with the investigation..."
@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Did this leak come from the FBI? If so, that says a lot about the organization. "People familiar with the investigation..."
Seen on Twitter: "The information was so top secret and classified that someone at the FBI leaked it to the Washington Post. What a world."
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Did this leak come from the FBI? If so, that says a lot about the organization. "People familiar with the investigation..."
Seen on Twitter: "The information was so top secret and classified that someone at the FBI leaked it to the Washington Post. What a world."
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By the way, Do you think there is a single adversary of the US whose intelligence service doesn’t have a Mar Al Lago membership? Or first world ally, for that matter.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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Not a chance, referring to other countries' having our launch codes. Probably also the reverse.
Although maybe it's not so easy. Wiki: "Gold Codes (launch codes) are generated daily and provided by the National Security Agency (NSA) to the White House, The Pentagon, United States Strategic Command and TACAMO. For an extra level of security, the list of codes on the card includes codes that have no meaning, and therefore the president must memorize where on the list the correct code is located."
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By the way, Do you think there is a single adversary of the US whose intelligence service doesn’t have a Mar Al Lago membership? Or first world ally, for that matter.
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
By the way, Do you think there is a single adversary of the US whose intelligence service doesn’t have a Mar Al Lago membership? Or first world ally, for that matter.
Probably not the ones who have already bought the Bidens.
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The DOJ is appealing the “special master” decision:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.68.0_1.pdf
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The DOJ is appealing the “special master” decision:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.68.0_1.pdf
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That’s odd. Are you sure that’s correct?
Are you sure they didn’t appeal the injunction on the criminal investigation? That would make more sense
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Are you sure they didn’t appeal the injunction on the criminal investigation? That would make more sense
I meant to say that the DOJ is appealing Cannon's Sep. 5 decision. I expect the appeal to also include the "injunction", but we probably have to wait for the appeal brief to see the full scope of the appeal.
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FWIW, former AG Bill Barr has also came out stating that Cannon's ruling is "deeply flawed in a number of ways":
https://www.axios.com/2022/09/06/barr-trump-doj-special-master
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The DOJ's appeal:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.69.0.pdf
It seems the DOJ is keeping the scope of its appeal rather narrow at this time:
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"... this motion is limited to the Order’s directives with respect to the seized classified records"
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In the Conclusion section: "The Court should issue an immediate order staying its September 5, 2022 Order pending appeal to the extent the Order (1) enjoins the further review and use for criminal investigative purposes of records bearing classification markings and (2) requires the government to disclose those classified records to a special master."
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Special master identified and getting to work.
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@Rainman said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
"Master?"
I think it was in one of Amazon's "Bosch" episodes where a "Special Master" was appointed after the execution of a search warrant to assure that attorney-client privileged materials were not seized.
I'm not sure how a SM plays here - would Judge Dearie need to have security clearance to ascertain this?
