Mar-a-Lago raided
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The status differences result in a certain asymmetry between the Trump base and those they resent. The resentment only flows one direction, the other direction is something much more like contempt.
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The status differences result in a certain asymmetry between the Trump base and those they resent. The resentment only flows one direction, the other direction is something much more like contempt.
And that contempt has been unfair, douchey, and clearly communicated since long before Trump. The reaction against that contempt, which is symptomatic of being human rather than being low status, I’m sure can be framed as the self hatred of the inferiors. But that framing is just more doucheyness and let’s please not pretend otherwise.
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The difference is quite real, not a matter of framing. Nietzsche is pretty good on the subject.
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The difference is quite real, not a matter of framing. Nietzsche is pretty good on the subject.
Nietzsche would agree with you in this discussion then. Now it’s two against one. I’m not sure I can prevail against the both of you.
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Judge grants Trump request for special master
A federal judge will appoint a special master to sift through nearly 13,000 documents and items the FBI seized from Donald Trump’s Florida residence and identify any that may be protected by attorney-client or executive privilege, according to a court order posted Monday.
U.S. District Judge Aileen M. Cannon wrote in her decision that the Justice Department cannot continue reviewing the materials seized by the FBI at Mar-a-Lago on Aug. 8 or use them in its criminal investigation until the special master concludes his or her assessment.
But she ruled that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence would be allowed to continue its ongoing assessment of the possible risk to national security posed by the removal from government custody of classified documents, some of them related to highly sensitive government and intelligence secrets.In her opinion, Cannon sided with Trump’s legal team and said that the former president does retain some executive privileges after leaving office — a stance that the Justice Department disagrees with.
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Weird since (a) the fat guy isn’t the executive, Jolly’s President is. And (b) the DOJ is part of the executive. “Executive privilege” is generally raised contra Congress.
Hers seems to be a minority viewpoint. Even eccentric.
Probably won’t matter much in practice.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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Weird since (a) the fat guy isn’t the executive, Jolly’s President is. And (b) the DOJ is part of the executive. “Executive privilege” is generally raised contra Congress.
Hers seems to be a minority viewpoint. Even eccentric.
Probably won’t matter much in practice.
@jon-nyc
I imagine we'll see a lot of weirdness of this sort before it's all over. People often underestimate the vast tremendous power an ex-president has. Even a knob like this one. Weird distortions may eventuate.That's why I'm paying no attention to the ongoing story. I'll tune back in when something happens.
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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
And the special master is……
Rudy Giuliani.
lol
Shouldn’t this post be in the dark or inappropriate humor thread?
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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
And the special master is……
Rudy Giuliani.
lol
Shouldn’t this post be in the dark or inappropriate humor thread?
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Weird since (a) the fat guy isn’t the executive, Jolly’s President is. And (b) the DOJ is part of the executive. “Executive privilege” is generally raised contra Congress.
Hers seems to be a minority viewpoint. Even eccentric.
Probably won’t matter much in practice.
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
“Executive privilege” is generally raised contra Congress.
I think the special master is being appointed to ascertain whether there is any attorney-client privileged information in the seized documents, not executive privilege.
As to executive privilege, a court (in 2012) ruled that recordings that Clinton made, while in the White House, were his property, and he could refuse to turn them over. HIs power to declare pretty much anything "personal" is broad.
They were found in his sock drawer.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Reactions to the ruling that granted Trump a “special master”:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/biased-corrupt-trump-judge-defied-115235971.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/06/trump-judge-mar-a-lago-documents-grim-future/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/05/us/trump-special-master-aileen-cannon.html
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Reactions to the ruling that granted Trump a “special master”:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/biased-corrupt-trump-judge-defied-115235971.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/06/trump-judge-mar-a-lago-documents-grim-future/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/05/us/trump-special-master-aileen-cannon.html
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Reactions to the ruling that granted Trump a “special master”:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/biased-corrupt-trump-judge-defied-115235971.html
Interesting that the judge who approved the warrant was an Obama-appointed judge isn't mentioned.
And the "Legal Expert" quoted in that piece, in 2022 said the US Constitution is "actually trash." He said that Walker, as Senator would not have any independent ideas, LOL.
So, there's that.
Edit to add:
Weismann makes the same comment about the "Trump appointed" judge while ignoring the Obama appointed judge.
He also says that there's no need for a special master because it applies to a "small subset" of documents.
How does he know that? Has he seen them? He implies that there's no need because the documents have already been examined. So, we should trust the FBI. Right.
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@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Reactions to the ruling that granted Trump a “special master”:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/biased-corrupt-trump-judge-defied-115235971.html
Interesting that the judge who approved the warrant was an Obama-appointed judge isn't mentioned.
And the "Legal Expert" quoted in that piece, in 2022 said the US Constitution is "actually trash." He said that Walker, as Senator would not have any independent ideas, LOL.
So, there's that.
Edit to add:
Weismann makes the same comment about the "Trump appointed" judge while ignoring the Obama appointed judge.
He also says that there's no need for a special master because it applies to a "small subset" of documents.
How does he know that? Has he seen them? He implies that there's no need because the documents have already been examined. So, we should trust the FBI. Right.
@George-K , yeah, not much luck finding opinion pieces that agree with the decision to grant the request for special master. I tried to look for any opinion piece by Jonathan Turley but only found him talking about it on Fox News rather than in a written opinion piece. :man-shrugging:
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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
“Executive privilege” is generally raised contra Congress.
I think the special master is being appointed to ascertain whether there is any attorney-client privileged information in the seized documents, not executive privilege.
As to executive privilege, a court (in 2012) ruled that recordings that Clinton made, while in the White House, were his property, and he could refuse to turn them over. HIs power to declare pretty much anything "personal" is broad.
They were found in his sock drawer.
@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
“Executive privilege” is generally raised contra Congress.
I think the special master is being appointed to ascertain whether there is any attorney-client privileged information in the seized documents, not executive privilege.
As to executive privilege, a court (in 2012) ruled that recordings that Clinton made, while in the White House, were his property, and he could refuse to turn them over. HIs power to declare pretty much anything "personal" is broad.
They were found in his sock drawer.
“His property” /= “covered by executive privilege”
e.g. Trump’s three (?!?) passports. He didn’t say “those are covered by executive privilege”, he said “those are mine”
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Material on foreign nation’s nuclear capabilities seized
Some seized documents were so closely held, only the president, a Cabinet-level or near-Cabinet level official could authorize others to know.
A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month, according to people familiar with the matter, underscoring concerns among U.S. intelligence officials about classified material stashed in the Florida property.
Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation.Documents about such highly classified operations require special clearances on a need-to-know basis, not just top-secret clearance. Some special-access programs can have as few as a couple dozen government personnel authorized to know of an operation’s existence. Records that deal with such programs are kept under lock and key, almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, with a designated control officer to keep careful tabs on their location.
Very disturbing on two accounts:
- If it's true, well then, it's very disturbing.
- Did this leak come from the FBI? If so, that says a lot about the organization. "People familiar with the investigation..."
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Material on foreign nation’s nuclear capabilities seized
Some seized documents were so closely held, only the president, a Cabinet-level or near-Cabinet level official could authorize others to know.
A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month, according to people familiar with the matter, underscoring concerns among U.S. intelligence officials about classified material stashed in the Florida property.
Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation.Documents about such highly classified operations require special clearances on a need-to-know basis, not just top-secret clearance. Some special-access programs can have as few as a couple dozen government personnel authorized to know of an operation’s existence. Records that deal with such programs are kept under lock and key, almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, with a designated control officer to keep careful tabs on their location.
Very disturbing on two accounts:
- If it's true, well then, it's very disturbing.
- Did this leak come from the FBI? If so, that says a lot about the organization. "People familiar with the investigation..."
@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Did this leak come from the FBI? If so, that says a lot about the organization. "People familiar with the investigation..."
Seen on Twitter: "The information was so top secret and classified that someone at the FBI leaked it to the Washington Post. What a world."
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Did this leak come from the FBI? If so, that says a lot about the organization. "People familiar with the investigation..."
Seen on Twitter: "The information was so top secret and classified that someone at the FBI leaked it to the Washington Post. What a world."
