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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
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    #611

    Yeah that’s a bad look. I guess that’s why it was leaked.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • George KG George K

      Material on foreign nation’s nuclear capabilities seized

      Some seized documents were so closely held, only the president, a Cabinet-level or near-Cabinet level official could authorize others to know.

      A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month, according to people familiar with the matter, underscoring concerns among U.S. intelligence officials about classified material stashed in the Florida property.
      Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation.

      Documents about such highly classified operations require special clearances on a need-to-know basis, not just top-secret clearance. Some special-access programs can have as few as a couple dozen government personnel authorized to know of an operation’s existence. Records that deal with such programs are kept under lock and key, almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, with a designated control officer to keep careful tabs on their location.

      Very disturbing on two accounts:

      1. If it's true, well then, it's very disturbing.
      2. Did this leak come from the FBI? If so, that says a lot about the organization. "People familiar with the investigation..."
      George KG Offline
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      @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      Did this leak come from the FBI? If so, that says a lot about the organization. "People familiar with the investigation..."

      Seen on Twitter: "The information was so top secret and classified that someone at the FBI leaked it to the Washington Post. What a world."

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

        Did this leak come from the FBI? If so, that says a lot about the organization. "People familiar with the investigation..."

        Seen on Twitter: "The information was so top secret and classified that someone at the FBI leaked it to the Washington Post. What a world."

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
        #613

        @George-K except… no. Describing the information is very different than the information itself.

        “He had the nuclear launch code in his desk” /= “he had the nuclear launch code 667hggH63jol7 in his drawer”

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          jon-nyc
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          #614

          By the way, Do you think there is a single adversary of the US whose intelligence service doesn’t have a Mar Al Lago membership? Or first world ally, for that matter.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • Catseye3C Offline
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            #615

            Not a chance, referring to other countries' having our launch codes. Probably also the reverse.

            Although maybe it's not so easy. Wiki: "Gold Codes (launch codes) are generated daily and provided by the National Security Agency (NSA) to the White House, The Pentagon, United States Strategic Command and TACAMO. For an extra level of security, the list of codes on the card includes codes that have no meaning, and therefore the president must memorize where on the list the correct code is located."

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              wrote on last edited by
              #616

              “Launch codes” was merely a colorful example. My point was a description of the information is not the same thing as the information itself.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • CopperC Offline
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                #617

                Sure, China can launch our nukes whenever they want.

                And Mr. Biden can launch theirs.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  By the way, Do you think there is a single adversary of the US whose intelligence service doesn’t have a Mar Al Lago membership? Or first world ally, for that matter.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  #618

                  @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  By the way, Do you think there is a single adversary of the US whose intelligence service doesn’t have a Mar Al Lago membership? Or first world ally, for that matter.

                  Probably not the ones who have already bought the Bidens.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • AxtremusA Offline
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                    Axtremus
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #619

                    The DOJ is appealing the “special master” decision:

                    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.68.0_1.pdf

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      The DOJ is appealing the “special master” decision:

                      https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.68.0_1.pdf

                      jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
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                      #620

                      @Axtremus

                      That’s odd. Are you sure that’s correct?

                      Are you sure they didn’t appeal the injunction on the criminal investigation? That would make more sense

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @Axtremus

                        That’s odd. Are you sure that’s correct?

                        Are you sure they didn’t appeal the injunction on the criminal investigation? That would make more sense

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                        Axtremus
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                        #621

                        @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                        Are you sure they didn’t appeal the injunction on the criminal investigation? That would make more sense

                        I meant to say that the DOJ is appealing Cannon's Sep. 5 decision. I expect the appeal to also include the "injunction", but we probably have to wait for the appeal brief to see the full scope of the appeal.

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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #622

                          FWIW, former AG Bill Barr has also came out stating that Cannon's ruling is "deeply flawed in a number of ways":

                          https://www.axios.com/2022/09/06/barr-trump-doj-special-master

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                            The DOJ's appeal:

                            https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.69.0.pdf

                            It seems the DOJ is keeping the scope of its appeal rather narrow at this time:

                            • "... this motion is limited to the Order’s directives with respect to the seized classified records"

                            • In the Conclusion section: "The Court should issue an immediate order staying its September 5, 2022 Order pending appeal to the extent the Order (1) enjoins the further review and use for criminal investigative purposes of records bearing classification markings and (2) requires the government to disclose those classified records to a special master."

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                            • AxtremusA Offline
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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #624

                              https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/politics/takeaways-whats-next-mar-a-lago-classified-documents-special-master/index.html

                              Special master identified and getting to work.

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                              • RainmanR Offline
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                                Rainman
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #625

                                "Master?"

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                                • RainmanR Rainman

                                  "Master?"

                                  George KG Offline
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                                  George K
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                                  #626

                                  @Rainman said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  "Master?"

                                  I think it was in one of Amazon's "Bosch" episodes where a "Special Master" was appointed after the execution of a search warrant to assure that attorney-client privileged materials were not seized.

                                  I'm not sure how a SM plays here - would Judge Dearie need to have security clearance to ascertain this?

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • CopperC Offline
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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #627

                                    racist

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                                    • RainmanR Offline
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                                      Rainman
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #628

                                      Blow up at least one statue.
                                      I certainly won't be a slave to such language usage.
                                      OK, enough.
                                      Lead on, Master. . .

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                                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #629

                                        ![alt text](fe5021bd-9d45-422d-8dc8-90117a40fae0-image.jpeg image url)https://i.pinimg.com/originals/14/2c/73/142c73cd2f2918604143fff9d20018f4.jpg

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • RainmanR Offline
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                                          Rainman
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #630

                                          Sorry George.
                                          I was trying to be of humour.
                                          All of my tools are rusty.

                                          Actually, I'm pretty sure the big D has always had his household help refer to him with that respectful title of which I will not again repeat.
                                          So, nothing new, just something else to master.

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