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  • kluursK kluurs

    h/t to Quirt for a fairly well-balanced review of the legalities of the seizure of records. There's something for everyone in here.

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    @kluurs said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

    a fairly well-balanced review of the legalities of the seizure of records.

    Very clarifying by a writer concerned with evenhandedness in a matter that started out complex and is growing daily more so. Thanks to QT and Kluurs.

    Theme sentence, IMO: "There obviously must be a point where information is so sensitive, and Trump’s disregard for law so extreme, to justify legal process against Trump, even in the current milieu."

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      That would have to be an awfully extreme point.

      To raid an ex-President's home is beyond the pale, especially the way it was done. If Justice doesn't come up with something big, I mean YUGE, Garland has to go. Wray has to go. And a Special Prosecutor needs to shake the bushes for Whitehouse involvement.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        #378

        "As President, I will enforce all laws relating to classified information......

        Nobody is above the law!"

        Who said that? President (then candidate) Trump
        LOL

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          "As President, I will enforce all laws relating to classified information......

          Nobody is above the law!"

          Who said that? President (then candidate) Trump
          LOL

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          )

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          #379

          @taiwan_girl said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          "As President, I will enforce all laws relating to classified information......

          Nobody is above the law!"

          How did he miss Hillary?

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            "As President, I will enforce all laws relating to classified information......

            Nobody is above the law!"

            Who said that? President (then candidate) Trump
            LOL

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            )

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            jon-nyc
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            #380

            @taiwan_girl said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

            "As President, I will enforce all laws relating to classified information......

            Nobody is above the law!"

            Who said that? President (then candidate) Trump
            LOL

            To be fair, he did appoint an FBI director who appears to be enforcing that law.

            Promise kept! Way to go, Mr Trump!

            Only non-witches get due process.

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              Fighting the release of the affidavit:

              https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/doj-opposes-release-trump-warrant-affidavit?utm_source=browser_push&utm_medium=onesignal&utm_campaign=push_notifications

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Lacking specificity?

                https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/doj-admits-it-took-trumps-passports-offers-return-them

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  A couple of posts rom Ken WHite's (@popehat) feed:

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Tell me, Mr. Poophat, have you ever seen an ex-President's home raided?

                    We are in different waters.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      Tell me, Mr. Poophat, have you ever seen an ex-President's home raided?

                      We are in different waters.

                      Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                      @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      We are in different waters.

                      A river in Egypt, possibly?

                      I was only joking

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                        jon-nyc
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                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          Y'all did notice Trump went up 4 points after his home was raided?

                          Ask yourself, how do you get more Trump?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            Y'all did notice Trump went up 4 points after his home was raided?

                            Ask yourself, how do you get more Trump?

                            Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                            @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                            Ask yourself, how do you get more Trump?

                            Open another McDonalds near Mar a Lago?

                            I was only joking

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                            • MikM Away
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                              Which is what I said on day one. Dr. Frankenstein is reviving his monster.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • MikM Mik

                                Which is what I said on day one. Dr. Frankenstein is reviving his monster.

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                                @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                Which is what I said on day one. Dr. Frankenstein is reviving his monster.

                                If he's actually done something that would justify the raid, then surely that's irrelevant?

                                I know, this concept is clearly unthinkable for some here, but....

                                I was only joking

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                                  @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  Which is what I said on day one. Dr. Frankenstein is reviving his monster.

                                  If he's actually done something that would justify the raid, then surely that's irrelevant?

                                  I know, this concept is clearly unthinkable for some here, but....

                                  MikM Away
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                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  Which is what I said on day one. Dr. Frankenstein is reviving his monster.

                                  If he's actually done something that would justify the raid, then surely that's irrelevant?

                                  I know, this concept is clearly unthinkable for some here, but....

                                  I have no problem believing that. But I do wonder why they are refusing to release the affidavit.

                                  If nothing comes of this, and it is looking like it will not thus far, they just gave him a big leg up on the nomination.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    Which is what I said on day one. Dr. Frankenstein is reviving his monster.

                                    If he's actually done something that would justify the raid, then surely that's irrelevant?

                                    I know, this concept is clearly unthinkable for some here, but....

                                    I have no problem believing that. But I do wonder why they are refusing to release the affidavit.

                                    If nothing comes of this, and it is looking like it will not thus far, they just gave him a big leg up on the nomination.

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                                    @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    But I do wonder why they are refusing to release the affidavit.

                                    Well, the Popehat guy, who's an attorney, says it never happens. Doesn't that answer the question?

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • MikM Away
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                                      Not after they were going on about doing it. If this is unprecedented, the reasons for it need to be clear. I just want to impose the same rigor on both parties.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        I can readily imagine the scenario that this raid was a total screw-up, and the FBI have once again acted like imbeciles.

                                        I can also imagine the opposite, that Trump's really fucked up and taken something he shouldn't have.

                                        We don't have the information to know which case is reality at this point.

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                          I can readily imagine the scenario that this raid was a total screw-up, and the FBI have once again acted like imbeciles.

                                          I can also imagine the opposite, that Trump's really fucked up and taken something he shouldn't have.

                                          We don't have the information to know which case is reality at this point.

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                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          I can readily imagine the scenario that this raid was a total screw-up, and the FBI have once again acted like imbeciles.

                                          I can also imagine the opposite, that Trump's really fucked up and taken something he shouldn't have.

                                          We don't have the information to know which case is reality at this point.

                                          I think both are possible.

                                          1. The FBI has fucked up by the numbers on most things Trump. If nothing else, they need to answer some serious questions about equal justice under the law and SWAT techniques on non-violent crimes.
                                          2. I doubt Trump packed his own boxes. It's pretty normal for something classified to follow an ex-President home. I also can see Trump arguing about whether he had the right to take a document. In either case, nothing except a clear and present danger to the Republic warrants a FBI raid. Send three or four guys in a van with a warrant and knock on the damn door.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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