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"Lay off the white folks first."

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  • 8 89th
    16 Aug 2022, 13:44

    Yeah this is a pretty big topic lately on the Minneapolis subreddit. It seems many black teachers are equally outraged by this, as it undercuts their own merit.

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    Catseye3
    wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 13:57 last edited by Catseye3
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    @89th said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

    It seems many black teachers are equally outraged by this, as it undercuts their own merit.

    Very good to hear. Also much more in keeping with the expectedness and commonsense of human nature.

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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    • 8 89th
      16 Aug 2022, 13:44

      Yeah this is a pretty big topic lately on the Minneapolis subreddit. It seems many black teachers are equally outraged by this, as it undercuts their own merit.

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      Copper
      wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 16:18 last edited by
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      @89th said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

      It seems many black teachers are equally outraged by this, as it undercuts their own merit.

      Obviously they can't make it on their own merit.

      Isn't that the message?

      There is no free lunch, if you want points for your skin color, you have to take the lack of merit recognition.

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      • C Copper
        16 Aug 2022, 16:18

        @89th said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

        It seems many black teachers are equally outraged by this, as it undercuts their own merit.

        Obviously they can't make it on their own merit.

        Isn't that the message?

        There is no free lunch, if you want points for your skin color, you have to take the lack of merit recognition.

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        Catseye3
        wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 17:14 last edited by
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        @Copper said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

        Obviously they can't make it on their own merit.
        Isn't that the message?

        Since this is one of those times when I can't tell if you're being serious or sarky, Ima treat it as serious.

        What you say is a complaint of many blacks, that in fact the 'help' liberals seek to offer is anything but.

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        • C Catseye3
          16 Aug 2022, 17:14

          @Copper said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

          Obviously they can't make it on their own merit.
          Isn't that the message?

          Since this is one of those times when I can't tell if you're being serious or sarky, Ima treat it as serious.

          What you say is a complaint of many blacks, that in fact the 'help' liberals seek to offer is anything but.

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          Horace
          wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 17:22 last edited by
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          @Catseye3 said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

          @Copper said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

          Obviously they can't make it on their own merit.
          Isn't that the message?

          Since this is one of those times when I can't tell if you're being serious or sarky, Ima treat it as serious.

          What you say is a complaint of many blacks, that in fact the 'help' liberals seek to offer is anything but.

          Wokeness is very popular amongst high status whites. Which makes sense, since they are the creators of the ideology.

          Less popular amongst minorities, but anecdotally it is difficult to hear them, as they are squelched by media controlled by those very same high status white people.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Jolly
            wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 18:05 last edited by Jolly
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            Ever notice, the high-status whites are never the ones who lose their jobs over this shit?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • J Jolly
              16 Aug 2022, 18:05

              Ever notice, the high-status whites are never the ones who lose their jobs over this shit?

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              Horace
              wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 18:08 last edited by
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              @Jolly said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

              Ever notice, the high-status whites are never the ones who lose their jobs over this shit?

              And they're probably the ones participating in the college admissions scandals, when their tennis coach knows a guy who knows a guy who can get the mediocrity of their loins into Harvard.

              Education is extremely important.

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 18:27 last edited by
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                I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                • J jon-nyc
                  16 Aug 2022, 18:27

                  I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

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                  Horace
                  wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 19:31 last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                  I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

                  How do you suppose the leftward members of the current court would decide, in a case like this?

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 20:36 last edited by
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                    It’s a mysterie

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    • J jon-nyc
                      16 Aug 2022, 20:36

                      It’s a mysterie

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                      Horace
                      wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 21:36 last edited by Horace
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                      @jon-nyc said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                      It’s a mysterie

                      Yeah. But I suppose the value of conservative politics is so ubiquitous that it can be taken for granted, as it’s shat upon for the ugly ways in which it sometimes has to be manifested.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • H Horace
                        16 Aug 2022, 19:31

                        @jon-nyc said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                        I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

                        How do you suppose the leftward members of the current court would decide, in a case like this?

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                        Mik
                        wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 22:07 last edited by
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                        @Horace said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                        @jon-nyc said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                        I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

                        How do you suppose the leftward members of the current court would decide, in a case like this?

                        I don't see that they have a choice. How could you possibly defend this on any constitutional baasis?

                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                        • M Mik
                          16 Aug 2022, 22:07

                          @Horace said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                          @jon-nyc said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                          I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

                          How do you suppose the leftward members of the current court would decide, in a case like this?

                          I don't see that they have a choice. How could you possibly defend this on any constitutional baasis?

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                          Horace
                          wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 22:42 last edited by
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                          @Mik said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                          @Horace said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                          @jon-nyc said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                          I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

                          How do you suppose the leftward members of the current court would decide, in a case like this?

                          I don't see that they have a choice. How could you possibly defend this on any constitutional baasis?

                          If an issue is blatantly and transparently unconstitutional, how does it get to the supreme court? Any discussion of how the supreme court might decide, includes the assumption that the issue is sufficiently ambiguous to get there. Ask jon why he thinks this issue could ever make it to the supreme court. I suspect the answer will be that it has enough cultural valence. And that same valence will color the decisions of the justices. They are, after all, chosen for their cultural reliability. Adherence to the constitution is a nice thing to talk about having, but the left expects that to be negotiable in the privacy of chambers.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • H Horace
                            16 Aug 2022, 22:42

                            @Mik said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                            @Horace said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                            @jon-nyc said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                            I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

                            How do you suppose the leftward members of the current court would decide, in a case like this?

                            I don't see that they have a choice. How could you possibly defend this on any constitutional baasis?

                            If an issue is blatantly and transparently unconstitutional, how does it get to the supreme court? Any discussion of how the supreme court might decide, includes the assumption that the issue is sufficiently ambiguous to get there. Ask jon why he thinks this issue could ever make it to the supreme court. I suspect the answer will be that it has enough cultural valence. And that same valence will color the decisions of the justices. They are, after all, chosen for their cultural reliability. Adherence to the constitution is a nice thing to talk about having, but the left expects that to be negotiable in the privacy of chambers.

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                            Copper
                            wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 22:51 last edited by
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                            @Horace said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                            negotiable in the privacy of chambers.

                            A negotiation that now includes democrats protesting on the justices front lawns.

                            It's not just the constitution anymore.

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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 23:08 last edited by
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                              So wait, they want to send the white people home to sit on the couch while making the black people work? Sounds a lot like the 1800s….

                              The Brad

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                              • H Horace
                                16 Aug 2022, 22:42

                                @Mik said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                @Horace said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                @jon-nyc said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

                                How do you suppose the leftward members of the current court would decide, in a case like this?

                                I don't see that they have a choice. How could you possibly defend this on any constitutional baasis?

                                If an issue is blatantly and transparently unconstitutional, how does it get to the supreme court? Any discussion of how the supreme court might decide, includes the assumption that the issue is sufficiently ambiguous to get there. Ask jon why he thinks this issue could ever make it to the supreme court. I suspect the answer will be that it has enough cultural valence. And that same valence will color the decisions of the justices. They are, after all, chosen for their cultural reliability. Adherence to the constitution is a nice thing to talk about having, but the left expects that to be negotiable in the privacy of chambers.

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                                Catseye3
                                wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 23:09 last edited by
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                                @Horace said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                If an issue is blatantly and transparently unconstitutional, how does it get to the supreme court?

                                The only answer I can provide is that it might get to the Supreme Court through the usual steps -- that is, John White Teacher sues the school board and loses, and he appeals, and loses, and then -- what, the District Court? and loses, and then the Supremes, if they choose to hear it.

                                If constitutionality is that blatant and transparent, it will likely be shot down either by the SCOTUS or more likely (?) much earlier. But if the lawyers for either side can dredge up enough case law to argue constitutionality unto the next millenium, maybe constitutionality will not emerge as transparently as you would think.

                                :man-shrugging:

                                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                • M Mik
                                  16 Aug 2022, 22:07

                                  @Horace said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                  @jon-nyc said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                  I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

                                  How do you suppose the leftward members of the current court would decide, in a case like this?

                                  I don't see that they have a choice. How could you possibly defend this on any constitutional baasis?

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 23:49 last edited by
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                                  @Mik said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                  @Horace said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                  @jon-nyc said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                  I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

                                  How do you suppose the leftward members of the current court would decide, in a case like this?

                                  I don't see that they have a choice. How could you possibly defend this on any constitutional baasis?

                                  In practice something this blatant wouldn’t get through district court and the Union wouldn’t try to appeal.

                                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                  • M Mik
                                    16 Aug 2022, 22:07

                                    @Horace said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                    @jon-nyc said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                    I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

                                    How do you suppose the leftward members of the current court would decide, in a case like this?

                                    I don't see that they have a choice. How could you possibly defend this on any constitutional baasis?

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 17 Aug 2022, 00:04 last edited by
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                                    @Mik said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                    @Horace said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                    @jon-nyc said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                    I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

                                    How do you suppose the leftward members of the current court would decide, in a case like this?

                                    I don't see that they have a choice. How could you possibly defend this on any constitutional baasis?

                                    Where there's a will, there's a way...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • J Jolly
                                      17 Aug 2022, 00:04

                                      @Mik said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                      @Horace said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                      @jon-nyc said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                      I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

                                      How do you suppose the leftward members of the current court would decide, in a case like this?

                                      I don't see that they have a choice. How could you possibly defend this on any constitutional baasis?

                                      Where there's a will, there's a way...

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on 17 Aug 2022, 00:11 last edited by
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                                      @Jolly said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                      @Mik said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                      @Horace said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                      @jon-nyc said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                      I actually welcome cases like this so that Scotus can remind everyone that the amendment that forbids racial discrimination means what it says.

                                      How do you suppose the leftward members of the current court would decide, in a case like this?

                                      I don't see that they have a choice. How could you possibly defend this on any constitutional baasis?

                                      Where there's a will, there's a way...

                                      A culture-war case getting to the supreme court, is like an aspiring doctor getting into medical school. The tough challenges are met getting there. Once there, it's almost a done deal. The justices will vote as they were hired to vote. It is pure fantasy to think there could not exist a legal justification for either side. Those justifications already existed as prerequisite for the case getting to scotus.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on 17 Aug 2022, 00:17 last edited by
                                        #27

                                        I still fail to see the fundamental difference with Affirmative Action…

                                        The Brad

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                                          17 Aug 2022, 00:17

                                          I still fail to see the fundamental difference with Affirmative Action…

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 17 Aug 2022, 00:24 last edited by
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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in "Lay off the white folks first.":

                                          still fail to see the fundamental difference with Affirmative Action…

                                          You need to Bakke up...

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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