The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 12:59 last edited by
The paper of record.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 13:12 last edited by
@George-K said in The Fatwa Lives:
@George-K said in The Fatwa Lives:
We may never know the motive...
Like me, they are waiting for more information before rushing to judgment.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 13:14 last edited by
Thank God that wasn't Fox News or (dare I say it out loud?) Breitbart.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 13:22 last edited by
Perp's name is Hadi Matar.
I have my doubts about his being of Irish ancestry.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 18:55 last edited by
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Fatwa Lives:
@Jolly said in The Fatwa Lives:
Just as a thought exercise, what if Christians acted this way?
These guys don't set the agenda for the Christian church.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Fatwa Lives:
@Jolly said in The Fatwa Lives:
Just as a thought exercise, what if Christians acted this way?
These guys don't set the agenda for the Christian church.
wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 20:34 last edited by@Copper said in The Fatwa Lives:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Fatwa Lives:
@Jolly said in The Fatwa Lives:
Just as a thought exercise, what if Christians acted this way?
These guys don't set the agenda for the Christian church.
Obviously, the IRA and Protestant terrorist groups weren't anything like Khomeini, but the conflict was both religious and ethnic in nature. People find excuses to kill people they don't like in the name of all kinds of things.
One of Salman Rushdie's other books, Midnight's Children, painted Indira Gandhi in a very poor light. She was eventually killed by Sikh extremists after her operation at the Golden Temple led to 3000 Sikh's being killed.
Next time there's a mass shooting in the US, let's all make sure we point out that it's an American doing it. Unless of course it's not.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 22:07 last edited by
Seems odd to me that there wasn't better security - given he was giving a public lecture in NY. IF I were an assassin, this would be about as good an opportunity as I might expect to have to get close enough to him to accomplish an attack.
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Seems odd to me that there wasn't better security - given he was giving a public lecture in NY. IF I were an assassin, this would be about as good an opportunity as I might expect to have to get close enough to him to accomplish an attack.
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I would think that security requirements would have been in his contract rider as a guest speaker.
wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 22:43 last edited by@Renauda said in The Fatwa Lives:
I would think that security requirements would have been in his contract rider as a guest speaker.
Good point. I (obviously) hadn't considered that.
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wrote on 14 Aug 2022, 16:23 last edited by
Acclaimed novelist Salman Rushdie remains in critical condition but is talking and showing signs of improvement two days after he was stabbed during a lecture in upstate New York, his family said Sunday.
The bestselling author underwent surgery Friday after being seriously injured when a man attacked him onstage at the Chautauqua Institution in Chautauqua, N.Y.
Mr. Rushdie was taken off a ventilator over the weekend and is breathing on his own, his son Zafar Rushdie said in a statement.
“We are extremely relieved,” he said, while adding that Mr. Rushdie, 75 years old, still needs extensive medical treatment.
“He was able to say a few words,” said Zafar Rushdie. “Though his life-changing injuries are severe, his usual feisty and defiant sense of humor remains intact.”
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wrote on 14 Aug 2022, 21:52 last edited by
Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
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Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
wrote on 14 Aug 2022, 21:56 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
Good point. I wonder what they were more afraid of. The wrath of Islam, or being considered a bigot? The latter carries a more immediate and inevitable punch, for those who need to be accepted by the left.
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@jon-nyc said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
Good point. I wonder what they were more afraid of. The wrath of Islam, or being considered a bigot? The latter carries a more immediate and inevitable punch, for those who need to be accepted by the left.
wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 10:37 last edited by@Horace said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
@jon-nyc said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
Good point. I wonder what they were more afraid of. The wrath of Islam, or being considered a bigot? The latter carries a more immediate and inevitable punch, for those who need to be accepted by the left.
1989? Cancel Culture wasn’t a thing back then.
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@Horace said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
@jon-nyc said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
Good point. I wonder what they were more afraid of. The wrath of Islam, or being considered a bigot? The latter carries a more immediate and inevitable punch, for those who need to be accepted by the left.
1989? Cancel Culture wasn’t a thing back then.
wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 11:07 last edited by Doctor Phibes@LuFins-Dad said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
@Horace said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
@jon-nyc said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
Good point. I wonder what they were more afraid of. The wrath of Islam, or being considered a bigot? The latter carries a more immediate and inevitable punch, for those who need to be accepted by the left.
1989? Cancel Culture wasn’t a thing back then.
I don't remember people not standing behind Rushdie back when the fatwa originally took place, at least in the UK. I remember there being fairly widespread support and sympathy for him.
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wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 11:45 last edited by
Iran comments, as only Iran can:
"Regarding the attack on Salman Rushdie, we do not consider anyone other than [Rushdie] and his supporters worth of blame and even condemnation," Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Nasser Kanaani said in a televised news conference Monday, marking the country's first public reaction to the incident.
"We have not seen anything else about the individual that carried out this act other than what we've seen from American media. We categorically and seriously deny any connection of the assailant with Iran," Kanaani said, according to Iranian state media.
Sooo...it's Rushdie's fault. Okay, then.
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Iran comments, as only Iran can:
"Regarding the attack on Salman Rushdie, we do not consider anyone other than [Rushdie] and his supporters worth of blame and even condemnation," Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Nasser Kanaani said in a televised news conference Monday, marking the country's first public reaction to the incident.
"We have not seen anything else about the individual that carried out this act other than what we've seen from American media. We categorically and seriously deny any connection of the assailant with Iran," Kanaani said, according to Iranian state media.
Sooo...it's Rushdie's fault. Okay, then.
wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 11:46 last edited by@George-K said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
Sooo...it's Rushdie's fault. Okay, then.
Well if he hadn't been there the stabbing wouldn't have happened!
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Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 13:13 last edited by Doctor Phibes@jon-nyc said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
He was appointed a Commandeur de l'Ordre des Arts et des Lettres of France in 1999.
Rushdie was knighted in 2007 for his services to literature.
In 2008, The Times ranked him thirteenth on its list of the 50 greatest British writers since 1945.
His works have been shortlisted for the Booker Prize five times, in 1981 for Midnight's Children, 1983 for Shame, 1988 for The Satanic Verses, 1995 for The Moor's Last Sigh, and in 2019 for Quichotte.So, he got a fair amount of support.
