The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.
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As I said earlier, they are effective. The fatwa goes out and they kill you, sooner or later.
Just as a thought exercise, what if Christians acted this way?
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wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 11:42 last edited by
"Ayatollah Khomeini's offer of paradise to Rushdie's assassin has caused writers and public officials in Western nations to become almost exclusively preoccupied with the author's rights.
While Rushdie's First Amendment freedoms are important, we have tended to promote him and his book with little acknowledgment that it is a direct insult to those millions of Moslems whose sacred beliefs have been violated and are suffering in restrained silence the added embarrassment of the Ayatollah's irresponsibility.
This is the kind of intercultural wound that is difficult to heal. Western leaders should make it clear that in protecting Rushdie's life and civil rights, there is no endorsement of an insult to the sacred beliefs of our Moslem friends."
I guess that "restrained silence" got loud yesterday.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 12:56 last edited by
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wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 12:59 last edited by
The paper of record.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 13:12 last edited by
@George-K said in The Fatwa Lives:
@George-K said in The Fatwa Lives:
We may never know the motive...
Like me, they are waiting for more information before rushing to judgment.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 13:14 last edited by
Thank God that wasn't Fox News or (dare I say it out loud?) Breitbart.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 13:22 last edited by
Perp's name is Hadi Matar.
I have my doubts about his being of Irish ancestry.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 18:55 last edited by
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Fatwa Lives:
@Jolly said in The Fatwa Lives:
Just as a thought exercise, what if Christians acted this way?
These guys don't set the agenda for the Christian church.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Fatwa Lives:
@Jolly said in The Fatwa Lives:
Just as a thought exercise, what if Christians acted this way?
These guys don't set the agenda for the Christian church.
wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 20:34 last edited by@Copper said in The Fatwa Lives:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Fatwa Lives:
@Jolly said in The Fatwa Lives:
Just as a thought exercise, what if Christians acted this way?
These guys don't set the agenda for the Christian church.
Obviously, the IRA and Protestant terrorist groups weren't anything like Khomeini, but the conflict was both religious and ethnic in nature. People find excuses to kill people they don't like in the name of all kinds of things.
One of Salman Rushdie's other books, Midnight's Children, painted Indira Gandhi in a very poor light. She was eventually killed by Sikh extremists after her operation at the Golden Temple led to 3000 Sikh's being killed.
Next time there's a mass shooting in the US, let's all make sure we point out that it's an American doing it. Unless of course it's not.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 22:07 last edited by
Seems odd to me that there wasn't better security - given he was giving a public lecture in NY. IF I were an assassin, this would be about as good an opportunity as I might expect to have to get close enough to him to accomplish an attack.
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Seems odd to me that there wasn't better security - given he was giving a public lecture in NY. IF I were an assassin, this would be about as good an opportunity as I might expect to have to get close enough to him to accomplish an attack.
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I would think that security requirements would have been in his contract rider as a guest speaker.
wrote on 13 Aug 2022, 22:43 last edited by@Renauda said in The Fatwa Lives:
I would think that security requirements would have been in his contract rider as a guest speaker.
Good point. I (obviously) hadn't considered that.
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wrote on 14 Aug 2022, 16:23 last edited by
Acclaimed novelist Salman Rushdie remains in critical condition but is talking and showing signs of improvement two days after he was stabbed during a lecture in upstate New York, his family said Sunday.
The bestselling author underwent surgery Friday after being seriously injured when a man attacked him onstage at the Chautauqua Institution in Chautauqua, N.Y.
Mr. Rushdie was taken off a ventilator over the weekend and is breathing on his own, his son Zafar Rushdie said in a statement.
“We are extremely relieved,” he said, while adding that Mr. Rushdie, 75 years old, still needs extensive medical treatment.
“He was able to say a few words,” said Zafar Rushdie. “Though his life-changing injuries are severe, his usual feisty and defiant sense of humor remains intact.”
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wrote on 14 Aug 2022, 21:52 last edited by
Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
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Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
wrote on 14 Aug 2022, 21:56 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
Good point. I wonder what they were more afraid of. The wrath of Islam, or being considered a bigot? The latter carries a more immediate and inevitable punch, for those who need to be accepted by the left.
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@jon-nyc said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
Good point. I wonder what they were more afraid of. The wrath of Islam, or being considered a bigot? The latter carries a more immediate and inevitable punch, for those who need to be accepted by the left.
wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 10:37 last edited by@Horace said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
@jon-nyc said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
Good point. I wonder what they were more afraid of. The wrath of Islam, or being considered a bigot? The latter carries a more immediate and inevitable punch, for those who need to be accepted by the left.
1989? Cancel Culture wasn’t a thing back then.
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@Horace said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
@jon-nyc said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
Good point. I wonder what they were more afraid of. The wrath of Islam, or being considered a bigot? The latter carries a more immediate and inevitable punch, for those who need to be accepted by the left.
1989? Cancel Culture wasn’t a thing back then.
wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 11:07 last edited by Doctor Phibes@LuFins-Dad said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
@Horace said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
@jon-nyc said in The Fatwa Lives - Rushdie stabbed on stage.:
Sam Harris’ comment:
Like many of you, I'm thinking about Salman Rushdie now.
The threat he has lived under for so long–which was so horrifically realized today–was the product, not merely of the hatred and zeal of religious fanatics but of the cowardice and confusion of secularists. Everyone in arts and letters should have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Salman in 1989, thereby distributing the risk. And the fact that so few did is a moral scandal that still casts its shadow over the present.
Good point. I wonder what they were more afraid of. The wrath of Islam, or being considered a bigot? The latter carries a more immediate and inevitable punch, for those who need to be accepted by the left.
1989? Cancel Culture wasn’t a thing back then.
I don't remember people not standing behind Rushdie back when the fatwa originally took place, at least in the UK. I remember there being fairly widespread support and sympathy for him.
