Mar-a-Lago raided
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Sure didn't take long for the half-assed -- no, quarter-assed, no, eighth-assed -- hysterical outrage to bloom. My god, people are so ready to fly into ecstasies of rage anymore. No need for anything like reflection; yer reactions are all right there, ready to be snapped up on the spot without even breaking a sweat.
The wisest thing I redd in this thread and probably would be over the entire Internet is Jon's counsel to wait and see. But nooo, thanks to the magic of the social colossus, everybody all knows everything already, don't we!
SMH.
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“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Meanwhile we are spending over $70,000/month on housing for Hunter Biden and his Secret Service detail.
A guy with provable felonies, and some serious allegations of influence peddling involving the Big Guy who now sits in the Whitehouse...the same Big Guy who most likely signed off on this raid. No, there won't be a paper trail on the raid, that's not how the Biden Crime Family does things.
But it is how things are done in a banana republic, when El Supremo wishes to wound a political opponent. I don't know why they are so scared if Trump...They've already shown they know how to rig an election.
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Former President Donald Trump said Monday that the FBI "raided" his home at Mar-a-Lago in Florida and even cracked his safe, with a source familiar with the matter telling NBC News that the search was tied to classified information Trump allegedly took with him from the White House to his Palm Beach resort in January 2021.
Trump also claimed in a written statement that the search — unprecedented in American history — was politically motivated, although he did not provide specifics.
“These are dark times for our Nation, as my beautiful home, Mar-A-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, is currently under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents,” Trump said in a lengthy email statement issued by his Save America political committee.
“After working and cooperating with the relevant Government agencies, this unannounced raid on my home was not necessary or appropriate,” Trump said before bemoaning: “They even broke into my safe!”
Trump lawyer Christina Bobb, who said she was present for Monday’s search, told NBC News that Trump and his team have been “cooperative with FBI and DOJ officials every step of the way,” while adding that the bureau “did conduct an unannounced raid and seized paper.”
Police direct traffic outside an entrance to former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Fla., on Monday.A senior government official told NBC News that the FBI was at Mar-a-Largo “for the majority of the day” and confirmed that the search warrant was connected to the National Archives.
Trump this year had to return 15 boxes of documents that were improperly taken from the White House, the National Archives and Records Administration, or NARA, said in February.
“In mid-January 2022, NARA arranged for the transport from the Trump Mar-a-Lago property in Florida to the National Archives of 15 boxes that contained Presidential records, following discussions with President Trump’s representatives in 2021,” the National Archives said in a statement Feb. 7.
Notice how they put "raided" in scare quotes in the first paragraph.
So, if it is about classified documents, well, that's
Sandy Bergerinteresting.I wonder if it's about Jan 6.
The White House said it was not given a heads up.
“We did not have notice of the reported action and would refer you to the Justice Department for any additional information,” a White House official said.
WH claims
ignorancethey didn't know."Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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I know, it's the Dersh, but he makes some interesting points.
He claims that there has to be reasonable evidence that the sought materials would be destroyed. If not, a subpoena should be enough. If the subpoena is not complied with, lock 'em up.
He goes on to say that opening the safe (which I hear was empty) was not in the FBI procedures. You need a second warrant to open and seize the safe.
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@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
You are positively giddy.
Like a teenage schoolgirl.
It reminds me a bit of a number of men of a certain age spending themselves over crumpled photoshops of Hillary in prison uniform.
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Former President Donald Trump said Monday that the FBI "raided" his home at Mar-a-Lago in Florida and even cracked his safe, with a source familiar with the matter telling NBC News that the search was tied to classified information Trump allegedly took with him from the White House to his Palm Beach resort in January 2021.
Trump also claimed in a written statement that the search — unprecedented in American history — was politically motivated, although he did not provide specifics.
“These are dark times for our Nation, as my beautiful home, Mar-A-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, is currently under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents,” Trump said in a lengthy email statement issued by his Save America political committee.
“After working and cooperating with the relevant Government agencies, this unannounced raid on my home was not necessary or appropriate,” Trump said before bemoaning: “They even broke into my safe!”
Trump lawyer Christina Bobb, who said she was present for Monday’s search, told NBC News that Trump and his team have been “cooperative with FBI and DOJ officials every step of the way,” while adding that the bureau “did conduct an unannounced raid and seized paper.”
Police direct traffic outside an entrance to former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Fla., on Monday.A senior government official told NBC News that the FBI was at Mar-a-Largo “for the majority of the day” and confirmed that the search warrant was connected to the National Archives.
Trump this year had to return 15 boxes of documents that were improperly taken from the White House, the National Archives and Records Administration, or NARA, said in February.
“In mid-January 2022, NARA arranged for the transport from the Trump Mar-a-Lago property in Florida to the National Archives of 15 boxes that contained Presidential records, following discussions with President Trump’s representatives in 2021,” the National Archives said in a statement Feb. 7.
Notice how they put "raided" in scare quotes in the first paragraph.
So, if it is about classified documents, well, that's
Sandy Bergerinteresting.I wonder if it's about Jan 6.
The White House said it was not given a heads up.
“We did not have notice of the reported action and would refer you to the Justice Department for any additional information,” a White House official said.
WH claims
ignorancethey didn't know.@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
So, if it is about classified documents, well, that's
Sandy Bergerinteresting.Well of course it has to do with classified documents, this was never going to be a drug bust.
To be clear, the distinction I’ve made above about overreach is whether they conducted the raid simply because there are classified documents there, or if they believe specific documents will implicate someone in specific federal crimes.
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
So, if it is about classified documents, well, that's
Sandy Bergerinteresting.Well of course it has to do with classified documents, this was never going to be a drug bust.
To be clear, the distinction I’ve made above about overreach is whether they conducted the raid simply because there are classified documents there, or if they believe specific documents will implicate someone in specific federal crimes.
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Well of course it has to do with classified documents, this was never going to be a drug bust.
Agreed. But "classified" has a wide definition. Are we talking "national security" classified or "evidence of a crime" classified?
To be clear, the distinction I’ve made above about overreach is whether they conducted the raid simply because there are classified documents there, or if they believe specific documents will implicate someone in specific federal crimes.
The Dersh disagrees (if you watch the video). His point is that a warrant for a raid should only be issued if a subpoena will not suffice or if there's fear of the evidence being destroyed. I'm not sure if that's the case, or, for that matter, if a subpoena was ever issued.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Well of course it has to do with classified documents, this was never going to be a drug bust.
Agreed. But "classified" has a wide definition. Are we talking "national security" classified or "evidence of a crime" classified?
To be clear, the distinction I’ve made above about overreach is whether they conducted the raid simply because there are classified documents there, or if they believe specific documents will implicate someone in specific federal crimes.
The Dersh disagrees (if you watch the video). His point is that a warrant for a raid should only be issued if a subpoena will not suffice or if there's fear of the evidence being destroyed. I'm not sure if that's the case, or, for that matter, if a subpoena was ever issued.
@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The Dersh disagrees (if you watch the video).
I’m not following. Can you tell me the specific statement I’ve made that Dersch disagrees with?
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The Dersh disagrees (if you watch the video).
I’m not following. Can you tell me the specific statement I’ve made that Dersch disagrees with?
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
I’m not following. Can you tell me the specific statement I’ve made that Dersch disagrees with?
His point is that the process was not followed. There should have been subpoenas issued (and perhaps they were, I don't know) before staging a raid. Perhaps that's what your meaning of overreach is.
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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
I’m not following. Can you tell me the specific statement I’ve made that Dersch disagrees with?
His point is that the process was not followed. There should have been subpoenas issued (and perhaps they were, I don't know) before staging a raid. Perhaps that's what your meaning of overreach is.
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Given the precedent, the predictable response of the target, and the potential for outrage if things go the way of Geraldo's safe, I have to imagine a high degree of confidence that what they sought would actually be there. I'm sure the judge involved will be doxed
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From USA Today:
Top takeaways from the FBI search at Mar-a-Lago:
The raid marks an escalation in law enforcement scrutiny of the former president.
Legal analysts say this would have been approved at the highest levels of law enforcement.
Under the law, any search would need to be authorized by a federal judge after finding probable cause that a crime had been committed and that evidence of the crime exists in the location to be searched.Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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From USA Today:
Top takeaways from the FBI search at Mar-a-Lago:
The raid marks an escalation in law enforcement scrutiny of the former president.
Legal analysts say this would have been approved at the highest levels of law enforcement.
Under the law, any search would need to be authorized by a federal judge after finding probable cause that a crime had been committed and that evidence of the crime exists in the location to be searched.@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
From USA Today:
Top takeaways from the FBI search at Mar-a-Lago:
The raid marks an escalation in law enforcement scrutiny of the former president.
Legal analysts say this would have been approved at the highest levels of law enforcement.
Under the law, any search would need to be authorized by a federal judge after finding probable cause that a crime had been committed and that evidence of the crime exists in the location to be searched.Interesting. I mean, I think it was known, or at least supposed, that President Trump left the White House with material he was not supposed to. It should have been easy enough to say to him, "hey, not sure if you were aware, but some of the material you took has to stay in the Archives. We will send a truck down to pick them up. Appreciate your cooperation."
So, Präsident Trump had to know there were questions about what he took. Why would he not give them back? Is it something that puts him in a bad view? If so, i would have think he would have just destroyed it.
What is it that @George-K says? "Get the popcorn" LOL
