Rescinding scholarships for social media posts
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:38 last edited by Mik 6 Jun 2020, 20:39
This happened last year at Harvard as well and I suspect it is going to be a lot more widespread. I have a hard time getting behind this sort of thing. Isn't the point to educate kids so they are better citizens rather than to condemn them for the stupid act of an immature mind?
I can see taking the kid aside for a stern conversation on their views and the views of the university, but not yanking their scholarship.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:52 last edited by
We can't have wrongthink, regardless of age.
Lock 'em up.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:09 last edited by
Looks like admission was revoked too.
I would have to hear arguments on both sides.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:14 last edited by
@Loki said in Rescinding scholarships for social media posts:
Looks like admission was revoked too.
I would have to hear arguments on both sides.
Better Call Saul:
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@Loki said in Rescinding scholarships for social media posts:
Looks like admission was revoked too.
I would have to hear arguments on both sides.
Better Call Saul:
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 22:16 last edited by@George-K said in Rescinding scholarships for social media posts:
@Loki said in Rescinding scholarships for social media posts:
Looks like admission was revoked too.
I would have to hear arguments on both sides.
Better Call Saul:
It would help to know what he actually said.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 22:29 last edited by
I'm really curious as well but I'm very uncomfortable with the idea in general.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 22:43 last edited by
@Mik said in Rescinding scholarships for social media posts:
I'm sure he violated some kind of "standard."
They'll use that.
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This happened last year at Harvard as well and I suspect it is going to be a lot more widespread. I have a hard time getting behind this sort of thing. Isn't the point to educate kids so they are better citizens rather than to condemn them for the stupid act of an immature mind?
I can see taking the kid aside for a stern conversation on their views and the views of the university, but not yanking their scholarship.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 23:08 last edited by@Mik said in Rescinding scholarships for social media posts:
This happened last year at Harvard as well and I suspect it is going to be a lot more widespread. I have a hard time getting behind this sort of thing. Isn't the point to educate kids so they are better citizens rather than to condemn them for the stupid act of an immature mind?
I can see taking the kid aside for a stern conversation on their views and the views of the university, but not yanking their scholarship.
Haven't made up my mind yet ... got a few questions to sort through:
Are we ready to say the same if the kid's social media post is anti-Semitic in nature?
What if the posts are unpatriotic/anti-American in nature?
If the posts are unpatriotic/anti-American in nature, does it make a difference if the school is a military academy?
What if school is a religious school and the social media post is blasphemous in nature?How should the line be drawn between "they kid just needs some education" and "that's sacrilegious, expel the kid"?
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wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 01:44 last edited by
It’s a good question about whether there should be any limits.
I need to think more about it too, but my leaning is they need to be very specific with what they don’t allow and have the kid sign it as part of acceptance papers.
State schools should probably disallow only illegal stuff. Death threats and the like. Maybe a slightly higher bar for scholarships. But maybe not.
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It’s a good question about whether there should be any limits.
I need to think more about it too, but my leaning is they need to be very specific with what they don’t allow and have the kid sign it as part of acceptance papers.
State schools should probably disallow only illegal stuff. Death threats and the like. Maybe a slightly higher bar for scholarships. But maybe not.
wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 01:53 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Rescinding scholarships for social media posts:
leaning is they need to be very specific with what they don’t allow and have the kid sign it as part of acceptance papers.
Before or after they've been accepted?
Is it reasonable to say, "Hey, guess what we just found! Something you said two years ago! You'e disqualified!"?
(I don't know the timeline of these events, so take my comments in that light.)
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wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 01:56 last edited by
I think they should make their standards clear on something the kid signs, at application or acceptance, and anything before that is forgiven unless it is blatantly illegal.
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wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 01:57 last edited by Jolly 6 Jul 2020, 02:11
I'm sorta undecided on crucifixion or just a simple hanging...
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wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 02:07 last edited by
You can't force a college to accept a kid who said something stupid in high school.
But after a while that is going to be one weird college.
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wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 02:11 last edited by
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/us/mls-la-galaxy-aleksandar-katai-wife-instagram-spt-intl/index.html
L.A. Galaxy part ways with player whose wife made offensive Instagram posts
(CNN)The Los Angeles Galaxy "mutually agreed to part ways" with midfielder Aleksandar Katai on Friday after the MLS club learned that Katai's wife shared "racist and violent" social media posts.
Tea Katai posted twice on her Instagram, the first post calling for protesters to be killed, and the second showing a suspected looter holding a shoebox with the caption, "Black Nikes Matter."
Both posts have since been deleted.
The Galaxy said the organization stands against racism.
"Earlier today, the L.A. Galaxy were made aware of a series of racist and violent social media posts ... The L.A. Galaxy strongly condemned the social posts and requested their immediate removal," the team said.
Aleksandar Katai said on Instagram that his wife's posts were unacceptable.
"These views are not ones that I share and are not tolerated in my family," he wrote. "This is a mistake from my family and I take full responsibility. I will ensure that my family and I take the necessary actions to learn, understand, listen and support the black community."
On Friday, the Galaxy released another statement announcing Katai's departure, saying the two sides "mutually agreed to part ways."
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wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 14:38 last edited by Mik 6 Jul 2020, 14:40
I haven't seen any of the posts in question. But in the long run I don't really care. My original point stands. Should a just turned 18 year old's life be turned upside down and stripped of their achievements due to one stupid internet post? I say no. Too much like thoughtcrime to me and unequally applied. It is fine for black posters to say horrible things about white people as a whole.
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wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 14:42 last edited by
As Sam Harris has pointed out, we as a society are more ok with accepting murderers who have done their time back into society than we are of accepting a documented wrong-thinker back. That goes doubly for kids who commit crimes. There's no expunging the social media record nor the accountability for it when someone turns 18, and moreover no social will to even try to do so. Meanwhile for actual crimes, we do just that for kids.
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wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 15:13 last edited by
The other problem is that we only do these things for whatever idea is unfashionable at the time. People hold and post all sorts of unpopular opinions. This one just happens to be up on Wheel of Outrage.
