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Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?

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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #12

    Wholly agree, Lufin. There is nothing to be gained and everything to be lost.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      While she has no choice but to go now, I don’t think she should have ever started this shitshow. The Department of State should be making these visits along with the Chief Executive. Not the Speaker of the House. Foreign Diplomacy is not her job and she does not have the training or the authority to accomplish anything…

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      @LuFins-Dad said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

      While she has no choice but to go now, I don’t think she should have ever started this shitshow. The Department of State should be making these visits along with the Chief Executive. Not the Speaker of the House. Foreign Diplomacy is not her job and she does not have the training or the authority to accomplish anything…

      Another argument for term levels. Nancy has been unhinged for at least four or five years.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        #14

        @LuFins-Dad @Mik @Jolly , I do not recall seeing you object when US Senators and House Representatives visited Ukraine or Georgia (Eastern Europe) or Israel or or Japan or Taiwan (Sen. Rick Scott visited Taiwan as recently as July 8th) in the recent past.

        What are the key differences that motivate your objection to Pelosi's visit now?

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          @LuFins-Dad said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

          While she has no choice but to go now, I don’t think she should have ever started this shitshow. The Department of State should be making these visits along with the Chief Executive. Not the Speaker of the House. Foreign Diplomacy is not her job and she does not have the training or the authority to accomplish anything…

          Another argument for term levels. Nancy has been unhinged for at least four or five years.

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          @Jolly said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

          at least four or five years

          You misspelled "forty" and "fifty."

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            @LuFins-Dad @Mik @Jolly , I do not recall seeing you object when US Senators and House Representatives visited Ukraine or Georgia (Eastern Europe) or Israel or or Japan or Taiwan (Sen. Rick Scott visited Taiwan as recently as July 8th) in the recent past.

            What are the key differences that motivate your objection to Pelosi's visit now?

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            #16

            @Axtremus said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

            @LuFins-Dad @Mik @Jolly , I do not recall seeing you object when US Senators and House Representatives visited Ukraine or Georgia (Eastern Europe) or Israel or or Japan or Taiwan (Sen. Rick Scott visited Taiwan as recently as July 8th) in the recent past.

            What are the key differences that motivate your objection to Pelosi's visit now?

            Sanity.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              @LuFins-Dad @Mik @Jolly , I do not recall seeing you object when US Senators and House Representatives visited Ukraine or Georgia (Eastern Europe) or Israel or or Japan or Taiwan (Sen. Rick Scott visited Taiwan as recently as July 8th) in the recent past.

              What are the key differences that motivate your objection to Pelosi's visit now?

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              @Axtremus said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

              @LuFins-Dad @Mik @Jolly , I do not recall seeing you object when US Senators and House Representatives visited Ukraine or Georgia (Eastern Europe) or Israel or or Japan or Taiwan (Sen. Rick Scott visited Taiwan as recently as July 8th) in the recent past.

              What are the key differences that motivate your objection to Pelosi's visit now?

              Do you recall seeing me take a crap? Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen…

              The Brad

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              • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                #18

                In my (biased) opinion, not going to Taiwan by Rep. Pelosi would have been signaling to mainland China that all they have to do is shout and the US will back down. I am glad she went.

                China is the bully of east Asia. You have to stand up to bullies I think.

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  While she has no choice but to go now, I don’t think she should have ever started this shitshow. The Department of State should be making these visits along with the Chief Executive. Not the Speaker of the House. Foreign Diplomacy is not her job and she does not have the training or the authority to accomplish anything…

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                  @LuFins-Dad said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

                  While she has no choice but to go now, I don’t think she should have ever started this shitshow. The Department of State should be making these visits along with the Chief Executive. Not the Speaker of the House. Foreign Diplomacy is not her job and she does not have the training or the authority to accomplish anything…

                  Yep, well said

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                  • MikM Away
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #20

                    In her own words.

                    https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/8222-3

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
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                      #21

                      I'm beginning to think it might have been a good idea. China's response was to fire off a few missiles we already knew they had. Big whoop.

                      But now that everyone signaled their position let's let this settle back down.

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-claims-precision-missile-strikes-in-taiwan-strait/ar-AA10hZA5?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e9119916949c40f3b3c94f310c497d2e

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        #22

                        Another US congressional delegation visits Taiwan:

                        US Taiwan: Congress team follows Pelosi with second high-level visit in a month
                        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-62541750

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                          Another current visit

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/another-us-congressional-delegation-in-taiwan-amid-tensions/ar-AA11A2tJ

                          Participants

                          Stephanie Murphy -D
                          Kaiali’i Kahele - D
                          Scott Franklin - R
                          Joe Wilson - R
                          Andy Barr - R
                          Darrell Issa - R
                          Claudia Tenney - R
                          Kat Cammack - R

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            Another current visit

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/another-us-congressional-delegation-in-taiwan-amid-tensions/ar-AA11A2tJ

                            Participants

                            Stephanie Murphy -D
                            Kaiali’i Kahele - D
                            Scott Franklin - R
                            Joe Wilson - R
                            Andy Barr - R
                            Darrell Issa - R
                            Claudia Tenney - R
                            Kat Cammack - R

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                            Renauda
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                            #24

                            @taiwan_girl

                            I think it great to see US politicians getting out and seeing and experiencing the world they inhabit.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • MikM Mik

                              Wholly agree, Lufin. There is nothing to be gained and everything to be lost.

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                              @Mik said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

                              Wholly agree, Lufin. There is nothing to be gained and everything to be lost.

                              Maybe she'll dazzle them with her pretty scarf. You know, the one with the stripes.

                              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                In my (biased) opinion, not going to Taiwan by Rep. Pelosi would have been signaling to mainland China that all they have to do is shout and the US will back down. I am glad she went.

                                China is the bully of east Asia. You have to stand up to bullies I think.

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                                @taiwan_girl said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

                                In my (biased) opinion, not going to Taiwan by Rep. Pelosi would have been signaling to mainland China that all they have to do is shout and the US will back down.

                                Agreed, insofar as I have an understanding of China. (I trust your judgment, however.)

                                But as LuFin said, "While she has no choice but to go now, I don’t think she should have ever started this shitshow."

                                And:

                                "The Department of State should be making these visits along with the Chief Executive. Not the Speaker of the House. Foreign Diplomacy is not her job and she does not have the training or the authority to accomplish anything…"

                                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                  Just to be clear, this recent one was a separate visit from Rep. Pelosi. So far this summer:

                                  Rep Pelosi + others - early Aug
                                  Sen Markey + others - mid Aug
                                  Gov Ducey (AZ) + others - end Aug
                                  Gov Holcomb (IN) + others - late mid Aug
                                  Rep Murphy + others - early Sept

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