Who here thinks this stops at Ukraine?
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One would hope todays global, real-time, internet/etc economy would prevent these types of conventional wars from 50-75 years ago. But it seems Putin doesn’t (yet) think so, and sadly I think China and Taiwan is an inevitable trigger point that’ll force the international community to make even tougher decisions than are being discussed today with Ukraine.
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@Jolly said in Who here thinks this stops at Ukraine?:
I think we're still overlooking China.
A monster that we helped create through greed.
They have a stake in keeping the West around for exactly that reason. Might be good.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Who here thinks this stops at Ukraine?:
@Jolly said in Who here thinks this stops at Ukraine?:
I think we're still overlooking China.
A monster that we helped create through greed.
They have a stake in keeping the West around for exactly that reason. Might be good.
So did Russia.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Who here thinks this stops at Ukraine?:
@Jolly said in Who here thinks this stops at Ukraine?:
I think we're still overlooking China.
A monster that we helped create through greed.
They have a stake in keeping the West around for exactly that reason. Might be good.
So did Russia.
@Mik said in Who here thinks this stops at Ukraine?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Who here thinks this stops at Ukraine?:
@Jolly said in Who here thinks this stops at Ukraine?:
I think we're still overlooking China.
A monster that we helped create through greed.
They have a stake in keeping the West around for exactly that reason. Might be good.
So did Russia.
Right, but China's really invested. So, maybe?
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The US is sending fighter jets to Poland to let Ukrainian pilots go to Poland and fly them back into Ukraine. Whether you agree with doing that or not, that is the US getting directly involved in a hot war with Russia. Also, since Poland is also a NATO member, this brings NATO into the war. This act alone makes NATO and the US both direct participants in a hot war between Russia and Ukraine, and now it's WWIII.
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One would hope todays global, real-time, internet/etc economy would prevent these types of conventional wars from 50-75 years ago. But it seems Putin doesn’t (yet) think so, and sadly I think China and Taiwan is an inevitable trigger point that’ll force the international community to make even tougher decisions than are being discussed today with Ukraine.
@89th said in Who here thinks this stops at Ukraine?:
economy would prevent these types of conventional wars from 50-75 years ago
War is still popular
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts
5 Current Major wars > 10,000 deaths
18 Current Wars > 100 < 1,000 deaths
20 Minor conflicts -
A draft bill submitted to the Russian State Duma calls for repealing the resolution of the Soviet Union State Council “On Recognising the Independence of the Republic of Lithuania”.
The bill was drafted by a member of the United Russia party, Evgeny Fedorov.
In the explanatory note, Fedorov said the Russian Federation was recognised as the legal successor of the Soviet Union. He also noted that in March 1991, a referendum was held in Russia, expressing support in preserving the Soviet Union as a single state.
But in September the same year, the Soviet Union State Council, chaired by Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, adopted a resolution “On Recognising the Independence of the Republic of Lithuania”. Fedorov claimed the resolution was illegal.
The draft bill follows a May resolution by the Lithuanian parliament, Seimas, recognising Russia’s war against Ukraine as genocide and Russia as a terrorist state.
Lithuania declared independence in March 1990. Months later in January 1991, Soviet forces attempted to overthrow the government. The last Soviet troops left Lithuania in 1993.
Fedorov already questioned the legitimacy of Lithuania's independence in 2015. At the time, he and another Duma deputy, Anton Romanov, wrote a letter to the Russian prosecutor’s office, saying that Lithuania's independence had been recognised by an “unconstitutional body”.
The prosecutor’s office then launched an investigation, which was decried as “a legal, moral, and political absurdity” by the then Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevičius.
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I really don't think they want to go there.
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The difference is Russia always saw Ukraine and Georgia as part of cultural great Russia. The baltics were never really Russian. They were what they are. Baltic states more culturally European than Russian.
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Sabre rattling perhaps but the Kremlin is not at all happy with Lithuania:
We’ll see how this plays out.
@Renauda I saw that the other day, yesterday I believe. I'm sure the talk is all about retaliation.
But, NATO...
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@Renauda I saw that the other day, yesterday I believe. I'm sure the talk is all about retaliation.
But, NATO...
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Based on the seeing in the Ukraine, could Russia possibly start a second "front"? Seems like they are having enough problems with the one in Ukraine. I don't know if the capabilities are there to do another parallel war.
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The US is sending fighter jets to Poland to let Ukrainian pilots go to Poland and fly them back into Ukraine. Whether you agree with doing that or not, that is the US getting directly involved in a hot war with Russia. Also, since Poland is also a NATO member, this brings NATO into the war. This act alone makes NATO and the US both direct participants in a hot war between Russia and Ukraine, and now it's WWIII.
@Larry said in Who here thinks this stops at Ukraine?:
The US is sending fighter jets to Poland to let Ukrainian pilots go to Poland and fly them back into Ukraine. Whether you agree with doing that or not, that is the US getting directly involved in a hot war with Russia. Also, since Poland is also a NATO member, this brings NATO into the war. This act alone makes NATO and the US both direct participants in a hot war between Russia and Ukraine, and now it's WWIII.
Maybe it does according to Newsmax or RT, but not by the many decades of Cold War historical precedent. We armed each other’s enemies all the time.
