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    Mik
    wrote on 18 May 2022, 21:44 last edited by
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    It certainly is. The Covid drop was steep and fast. This one just keeps ticking down.

    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      Horace
      wrote on 18 May 2022, 22:00 last edited by
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      COVID crash was 5 weeks. This one has been a 5.5 month slow bleed so far.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Mik
        wrote on 18 May 2022, 22:21 last edited by
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        Annnd the news just announced today was the worst day since June 2020. Dow down 1164.

        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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          George K
          wrote on 18 May 2022, 22:26 last edited by
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          Yellen:

          Treasury Secretary Janet L. Yellen said on Wednesday that Americans should not expect immediate relief from high gas prices but maintained that increases in global supply are eventually likely to provide long-term relief for motorists at the pump.
          Yellen also warned of the potential for slower growth to combine with inflation worldwide: “Higher food and energy prices are having stagflationary effects, namely depressing output and spending and raising inflation all around the world,” she told reporters.
          “We’re doing what we can to avoid further increases in energy prices … but we also want to make sure” Europe weans itself off dependence on reliance on Russian oil and gas, Yellen said. She added: “These pressures are not likely to abate in the very near future.”
          Yellen stressed that she did not expect the U.S. economy to go into recession, arguing that it is well-positioned for economic risks, pointing to fast growth coming out of the coronavirus recession. But she said Europe is likely more “vulnerable,” citing its greater dependence on Russian energy than the United States.

          Ben Bernanke:

          Former US Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke said the central bank’s current leaders were too slow to react to surging US inflation and, as a result, faces a period of stagflation — a combination of stagnant growth and high inflation.

          “The forward guidance, I think overall, on the margin, slowed the response of the Fed to the inflation problem,” Bernanke said in an interview broadcast on CNBC on Monday. “I think, in retrospect, yes, it was a mistake and I think they agree it was a mistake.”

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          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Mik
            wrote on 18 May 2022, 22:58 last edited by
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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 19 May 2022, 00:13 last edited by
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              Time to make some money.

              The Brad

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              • G George K
                18 May 2022, 21:21

                @Horace said in stock market:

                as a percentage, covid crash was 28% for the nasdaq. Which is almost exactly the loss as of today, from the previous high 6 months ago.

                Seems like this dip is lasting longer than the one in 2020.

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                Axtremus
                wrote on 19 May 2022, 03:02 last edited by
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                @George-K said in stock market:

                @Horace said in stock market:

                as a percentage, covid crash was 28% for the nasdaq. Which is almost exactly the loss as of today, from the previous high 6 months ago.

                Seems like this dip is lasting longer than the one in 2020.

                I kinda see the rather rapid recovery of the 2020 dip as an anomaly.

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                  18 May 2022, 22:00

                  COVID crash was 5 weeks. This one has been a 5.5 month slow bleed so far.

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                  89th
                  wrote on 19 May 2022, 04:02 last edited by
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                  @Horace said in stock market:

                  COVID crash was 5 weeks. This one has been a 5.5 month slow bleed so far.

                  Yup. The COVID drop was way worse, because…faster. I feel like this will be a mini version of the late 70s early 80s. Probably won’t take 5-8 years to recover but maybe a good 1-3 years. I’m ready to convert some accounts into “aggressive” mode to take advantage of the rebound but honestly I think this is just bringing us back to the 200 day moving average and then some. Almost like bringing us back before the big COVID rally.

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 20 May 2022, 16:46 last edited by
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                    Anybody care to make an educated guess as to whether the stock market would be where it is today, had Trump won in 2020?

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 20 May 2022, 17:25 last edited by
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                      Inflation would be here, but maybe not as bad. Don’t think there would have been a third round of stimulus. Might not be Ukraine war either. Hard to say.

                      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on 20 May 2022, 17:26 last edited by
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                        How about if Edward VIII hadn't abdicated?

                        I was only joking

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                        • M Mik
                          20 May 2022, 17:25

                          Inflation would be here, but maybe not as bad. Don’t think there would have been a third round of stimulus. Might not be Ukraine war either. Hard to say.

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                          xenon
                          wrote on 20 May 2022, 18:02 last edited by
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                          @Mik said in stock market:

                          Inflation would be here, but maybe not as bad. Don’t think there would have been a third round of stimulus. Might not be Ukraine war either. Hard to say.

                          Hard to say - Trump wanted much bigger stimulus checks in Dec 2020.

                          Ukraine war - maybe? Trump is so unpredictable that Putin might have seen his response as too much of an X factor.

                          That said - I don’t know how important America’s potential response was in Putin’s calculus.

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                            89th
                            wrote on 20 May 2022, 18:54 last edited by
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                            The market was quite "bubbly" after the 2020 crash so statisticians would say it was due to come back to earth to at least the 200 day moving average if not further. It probably wouldn't be at 3850 but would probably be in the low 4000s.

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                            • L LuFins Dad
                              19 May 2022, 00:13

                              Time to make some money.

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on 21 May 2022, 01:21 last edited by
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                              @LuFins-Dad said in stock market:

                              Time to make some money.

                              @LuFins-Dad said in stock market:

                              Time to make some money.

                              Not yet.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on 21 May 2022, 02:42 last edited by
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                                Inflation in the UK is currently 9%. It can't be BoJo's fault - after all, they call him Britain Trump!

                                I was only joking

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                                • D Doctor Phibes
                                  21 May 2022, 02:42

                                  Inflation in the UK is currently 9%. It can't be BoJo's fault - after all, they call him Britain Trump!

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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on 21 May 2022, 21:33 last edited by
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                                  @Doctor-Phibes Shhhhhh!

                                  That does not fit the narration that President Biden is responsible for the inflation that is going around the world.

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 21 May 2022, 21:40 last edited by
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                                    I don't believe anyone has said Biden is solely responsible for inflation. Pretty much everyone has said there would be inflation if Trump had been re-elected.

                                    What folks have said is that Biden's policies have not helped tamp inflation down and, in some cases, have exacerbated it.

                                    If you want to misconstrue that as some kind of anti-Biden narrative, that says more about your own narrative than anyone else's.

                                    However, as with all presidents, many will hold him responsible for it in the upcoming elections.

                                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                      21 May 2022, 21:33

                                      @Doctor-Phibes Shhhhhh!

                                      That does not fit the narration that President Biden is responsible for the inflation that is going around the world.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 21 May 2022, 21:55 last edited by
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                                      @taiwan_girl said in stock market:

                                      @Doctor-Phibes Shhhhhh!

                                      That does not fit the narration that President Biden is responsible for the inflation that is going around the world.

                                      No, it doesn't. But in politics, perception is reality. Few people care what's going on elsewhere, particularly in BoJo land. All they see is that they're spending thousands more per year on gasoline, food and utilities.

                                      As @jon-nyc pointed out, the Trump "stimulus" certainly might have lit the fire during COVID back in 2020, but no one will see that. They only see the here and now. And less than a quarter of the country sees things going in the right direction.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on 21 May 2022, 22:11 last edited by
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                                        Saw some polling numbers on Hispanics last night. The bottom has fallen out of Biden's support among that group.

                                        Interesting...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 21 May 2022, 22:14 last edited by
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                                          He lost the Cuban vote for sure.

                                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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