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  • George KG Offline
    George KG Offline
    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #268

    Updated:

    Screen Shot 2022-04-09 at 6.54.50 PM.png

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by
      #269

      Interesting thread on the support for Putin of Russian speakers outside Russia.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #270

        Very interesting. Makes some twisted sense of what is otherwise unconceivable to us.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #271

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #272

            Thanks @jon-nyc . Fascinating mindset.

            Meanwhile, if you're keeping score...

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #273

              image.jpeg

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
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                #274

                Key Russian blunder - they did not secure Antonov Airport outside Kyiv.

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-lost-the-battle-for-kyiv-with-its-hasty-assault-on-a-ukrainian-airport/ar-AAW3z8L?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c129069f9e664ed1aea6a069e81afead

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • George KG George K

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                  AxtremusA Offline
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                  Axtremus
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                  #275

                  @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

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                  What is the source of this “intelligence”?

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                  • MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #276

                    Examine the picture and you will have your answer.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      image.jpeg

                      What is the source of this “intelligence”?

                      George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #277

                      @Axtremus said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      What is the source of this “intelligence”?

                      https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #278

                        War crimes?

                        Always part of the plan:

                        National security adviser Jake Sullivan said Sunday that the war crimes committed by Russian forces in Ukraine were part of President Vladimir Putin’s master plan for the invasion.

                        “We, in fact, before the war began declassified intelligence and presented it,” Sullivan said on ABC’s “This Week,” “indicating that there was a plan from the highest levels of the Russian government to target civilians who oppose the invasion, to cause violence against them, to organize efforts to brutalize them in order to try to terrorize the population and subjugate it. So this is something that was planned.”

                        Russia’s recent retreat from areas near Kyiv left behind massive evidence of atrocities, particularly in Bucha, where civilians who had been executed, many with their hands tied behind their backs, were found through the area.

                        On top of that, Russia has targeted civilian sites throughout the war, with airstrikes on hospitals and places where refugees have congregated.

                        “The images that we’ve seen out of Bucha and other cities have been tragic, they’ve been horrifying,” Sullivan told host Jonathan Karl. “They’ve been downright shocking, but they have not been surprising.”

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by George K
                          #279

                          Interesting (and long) thread on the status of Russian tanks and what the losses really mean.

                          tl;dr version - The losses that the Russians have sustained are terrible, with no replacement of equipment or personnel readily available.

                          Many, including a certain "evidence-based only" sources would argue that the Russian Federation is operating some 10,000 tanks so 467 is "but a scratch". Which is certainly not true. (2/n)

                          Their mistake is that the bulk of these "10,000 tanks" are not in a status that can be operated by the Russian troops. There are just not enough units to operate them. (3/n)

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #280

                            Well...

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              Well...

                              RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by Renauda
                              #281

                              @George-K

                              Worth watching to see what the Pentagon or London has to report. Azov Battalion is a bit too dodgy for me to trust as a source.

                              If true, it could be a portent of much worse sooner rather than later and leaves NATO with very little in the way options short of the very hard decision to accept Zelinsky’s invitation to intervene.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
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                                #282

                                War crime:

                                https://www.the-sun.com/news/5093174/russian-soldier-rapes-baby-ukraine-war-arrested/

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #283

                                  Well, that last one was from the Sun, so....

                                  This one is from The Daily Beast, a source of similar reliability.

                                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-airs-its-ultimate-revenge-plan-for-america/ar-AAW5HB1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=034ebcc01ffb4eb69e64664ac4fca5ca

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    Well, that last one was from the Sun, so....

                                    This one is from The Daily Beast, a source of similar reliability.

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-airs-its-ultimate-revenge-plan-for-america/ar-AAW5HB1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=034ebcc01ffb4eb69e64664ac4fca5ca

                                    RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #284

                                    @Mik

                                    I trust the Kremlin would interfere to undermine the US electoral process regardless of the state of US Russia relations on Election Day.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #285

                                      I suspect you are right.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • HoraceH Offline
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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #286

                                        The only thing Russia needs to do to interfere is to give the appearance of interference, and wait for American corporate tribal media to run with it.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • George KG Offline
                                          George KG Offline
                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #287

                                          I was just looking at the running total of equipment losses on both sides here.

                                          Looking at Russian losses, what's amazing is the amount of stuff that's been captured, and, presumably, can be used by the Ukrainians.

                                          • Tanks (476, of which destroyed: 236, damaged: 8, abandoned: 40, captured: 192)
                                          • Armoured Fighting Vehicles (256, of which destroyed: 122, abandoned: 28, captured: 106)
                                          • Infantry Fighting Vehicles (497, of which destroyed: 291, damaged: 2, abandoned: 32, captured: 172)
                                          • Armoured Personnel Carriers (96, of which destroyed: 31, damaged: 1, abandoned: 17, captured: 47)
                                          • Towed Artillery (53, of which destroyed: 10, damaged: 4, abandoned: 5, captured: 34)
                                          • Self-Propelled Artillery (96, of which destroyed: 41, damaged: 2, abandoned: 15, captured: 37)
                                          • Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (787, of which destroyed: 484, damaged: 14, abandoned: 61, captured: 228)

                                          About 40% of the "stuff" that the Russians have lost is potentially still serviceable and usable by the Ukraians.

                                          As far as Ukrainian materiel goes, it looks like the percentage captured is higher than the Russians'. However, their total losses are much, much smaller.

                                          • Tanks (103, of which destroyed: 42, damaged: 1, abandoned: 9, captured: 51)
                                          • Armoured Fighting Vehicles (70, of which destroyed: 28, abandoned: 4, captured: 39)
                                          • Infantry Fighting Vehicles (82, of which destroyed: 37, damaged: 3, abandoned: 9, captured: 33)
                                          • Armoured Personnel Carriers (33, of which destroyed: 6, damaged: 1, abandoned: 2, captured: 23)
                                          • Infantry Mobility Vehicles (51, of which destroyed: 16, damaged: 1, abandoned: 1, captured: 33)
                                          • Towed Artillery (25, of which destroyed: 8, damaged: 3, abandoned: 3, captured: 11)
                                          • Self-Propelled Artillery (20, of which destroyed: 8, damaged: 4, abandoned: 1, captured: 7)
                                          • Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (224, of which destroyed: 97, damaged: 5, abandoned: 5, captured: 117)

                                          Overall:

                                          • Russia - 2771, of which: destroyed: 1456, damaged: 39, abandoned: 234, captured: 1042
                                          • Ukraine - 740, of which: destroyed: 340, damaged: 23, abandoned: 35, captured: 342

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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