Mitt vs Tulsi

[Axtremus]

@LuFins-Dad , the fact that there are bio labs in Ukraine with US involvement is not news … it’s publicly acknowledged in a statement posted by the U.S. Embassy back in April 2020 (almost two years ago), and press release in 2005 (more than 16 years ago) announcing the deal the U.S. struck with Ukraine on this matter.

New article from August 2005:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2005/08/30/us-to-aid-ukraine-in-countering-bioweapons/72059ed1-90ca-4381-ac6f-10f4e205f09e/

August 30, 2005
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The United States and Ukraine agreed yesterday to work jointly to prevent the spread of biological weapons, signing a pact that clears the way for Ukraine's government to receive U.S. aid to improve security at facilities where dangerous microbes are kept.
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The agreement, the result of more than a year of negotiations, was announced by Sens. Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.) and Barack Obama (D-Ill.) during a visit to the Ukrainian capital, Kiev. The senators credited Ukraine's reformist leaders, ushered into power by last fall's Orange Revolution, with breaking bureaucratic resistance to the pact.
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One lab to receive funding is the I.I. Mechnikov Antiplague Scientific and Research Institute, in the Black Sea port city of Odessa. The institute was part of a Cold War network of "antiplague" stations that supplied highly lethal pathogens to Soviet bioweapons factories.

U.S. Embassy’s statement from April 2020:

https://ua.usembassy.gov/u-s-ukraine-partnership-to-reduce-biological-threats/

April 22, 2020
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The U.S. Embassy would like to set the record straight regarding disinformation spreading in some circles in Ukraine that mirrors Russian disinformation regarding the strong U.S.-Ukrainian partnership to reduce biological threats.
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Here in Ukraine, the U.S. Department of Defense’s Biological Threat Reduction Program works with the Ukrainian Government to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concern in Ukrainian government facilities, while allowing for peaceful research and vaccine development. We also work with our Ukrainian partners to ensure Ukraine can detect and report outbreaks caused by dangerous pathogens before they pose security or stability threats.
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Our joint efforts help to ensure that dangerous pathogens do not fall into the wrong hands. We’re proud to partner with the Ministry of Health, State Service of Ukraine for Food Safety and Consumer Protection, National Academy of Agrarian Sciences, and the Ministry of Defense to make us all safer.”

The criticism against the talking heads rehashing this issue now seems to be that some talking heads are presenting the situation as if the U.S. government is secretly working on something nefarious in those Ukraine bio labs, thus playing into Russia’s propaganda narrative. One would hope that our TV talking heads and politicians would know better, yet many apparently do not.

[89th]

@LuFins-Dad said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

People are conflating 2 different issues.

1. Are there Bio-Labs in Ukraine that study dangerous pathogens funded by the US? Yes. This has been testified to by the Undersecretary.

2. Are there Biological Warfare labs Ukraine where weapons of mass destruction are being made? Don’t know, I doubt it.

But acknowledging and addressing #1 is not “being a Putin stooge”, “misinformation”, and certainly not treason. Gabbard’s comments that I have seen on Twitter seem to be about #1, not #2. But I could be wrong. I don’t exactly follow Gabbard everyday and I don’t twat.

You are right. She said,

There are 25+ US-funded biolabs in Ukraine which if breached would release & spread deadly pathogens to US/world...

While I disagree with her alarmist "if breached, it would spread these (COVID-like) pathogens around the world..." statement, I'm not sure if this fits Putin's narrative, or what her goal is. Never looked her up before. Maybe Putin has dirt on her and is making her say something that fits his headline goals?

[George K]

I fail to see how what she said, which, taken on its face is accurate, rises to the level of "treason."

[89th]

@George-K said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

I fail to see how what she said, which, taken on its face is accurate, rises to the level of "treason."

Agreed. Even if she said exactly what Putin says, the US is not involved directly with this war, so technically it wouldn't be anti-US or treason or whatever. Not even close.

[LuFins Dad]

What she said was pretty much what President Biden's Undersecretary to the State Department testified to Congress. These labs do contain pathogens and do need to be secured and have the pathogens destroyed. Full stop.

Has nothing to do with giving credence to Putin or some fringe conspiracy group.

And in point of fact, the more dipshits run around yelling "She's giving credence to Russian Misinformation and it's treason" the more I start to wonder if there's more to this.

[George K]

So, the current administration is working with Russia to broker an Iran capitulation deal. Does that rise to the level of treason, Senator?

[LuFins Dad]

@George-K said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

So, the current administration is working with Russia to broker an Iran capitulation deal. Does that rise to the level of treason, Senator?

Is that the same Iran that fired a missile into one of our bases in Iraq?

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

Is that the same Iran that fired a missile into one of our bases in Iraq?

*consulate...

But yeah, same Iran.

[Mik]

Still, if the pathogens have not been destroyed and can be released, you've still got WMDs. Do we really need to be reminded of that?

I can't see Gabbards' statements as treason either.

[Doctor Phibes]

The best propaganda takes stuff that is true, and uses it to imply stuff that is false.

And then you get a bunch of people talking about the stuff that's true, and it sounds like they're going along with the stuff that's false.

What Tucker's doing is dumb at best.

[Renauda]

@Doctor-Phibes
Just dumb? Playing right into the Kremlin’s playbook. Carlson’s a stooge.

Gabbard should just know better than to get sucked into Carlson’s agenda.

[Copper]

Mr. Carlson is an American hero.

I'm sure we all applaud his courage in the face of relentless, mindless criticism.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Copper said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

Mr. Carlson is an American hero.

Link to video

[Renauda]

@Copper said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

Mr. Carlson is an American hero.

I'm sure we all applaud his courage in the face of relentless, mindless criticism.

Hero for whom? I do agree though he is a mindless stooge in the finest tradition of yellow journalism.

Yellow journalism :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

[Mik]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

@Copper said in Mitt vs Tulsi:

Mr. Carlson is an American hero.

Link to video

Funny. That was exactly the song that came to mind.

[jon-nyc]

Tucker and I have something in common - we share a disdain for his audience.

[Horace]

I choose open minded understanding and compassion for those raised in different times, surrounded by different mainstream ideas. This path of virtue is not the easy one, but it is the right one.

[George K]

[LuFins Dad]

Can't speak to Tucker Carlson as I have a sneezing fit from all the hairspray every time I see him. I'm just saying that there is nothing inappropriate with Gabbard's statements. Those facilities do need to be secured and the pathogens destroyed, especially if Putin's doing some kind of weird wink and a nod with it.

[LuFins Dad]