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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #11

    European defense official estimates Russian KIA at 7-9k “as of a few days ago”.

    We lost fewer Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan over 20 years than Russia has lost in Ukrainian in 3 weeks.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
    George KG Catseye3C 2 Replies Last reply
    • George KG Offline
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      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
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        My default mainstream media source is the BBC

        I also try to tap into webinars offered by major universities and think tanks. There are many and they are free.

        Two sites I regularly check are these:

        https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates

        https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/war-in-ukraine/

        Elbows up!

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          TNCR

          I just read what all you smart people say

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          • George KG George K

            MikM Away
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            Mik
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            #15

            @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

            This could be a very good sign if Putin is looking for someone to blame internally. I have no sympathy for them at all.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Mik

              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

              This could be a very good sign if Putin is looking for someone to blame internally. I have no sympathy for them at all.

              LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
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              #16

              @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

              This could be a very good sign if Putin is looking for someone to blame internally. I have no sympathy for them at all.

              But there were supposed to be leaks from the FSB assisting the Ukrainians. Any chance it was one of these 2?

              The Brad

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
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                #17

                Probably one of the best panel webinars on the subject in the past two weeks. Military, diplomatic and economic topics. Broadcast this am so it is fairly up to date:

                https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/event/putins-war-wont-fly/?mkt_tok=NjU5LVdaWC0wNzUAAAGDE461da9mfL9mlmPRqhCBEsQMK5n5KX71ps6wEm-ji7CT6Zpy7KWpGqcko7PzrkpRBGVd0iXNxjnehyIQ8rWcueE5wAJFTOMETdWKQqCtZA

                Well worth your hour of time.

                Elbows up!

                jon-nycJ 1 Reply Last reply
                • JollyJ Offline
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                  #18

                  Heard the best thing on the actual fighting from a retired USAF bird colonel on the radio today.

                  His take? We know some big things, but a lot of what is going on is obscured by lack of intelligence, abundant propaganda on both sides and no firm numbers. He has been surprised by the lack of use of precision guided munitions...We know the Russians have them, as they used them in Syria, but the Russians have used dumb bombs for the vast majority of the campaign. Why? Nobody knows.

                  One thing he did address was the MIG-29 deal...He thought more planes would not be especially helpful for Ukraine. Reason? The Russians have perhaps the best SAM in the world for nonstealth aircraft...Without terrain, the kill zone is 50 miles. We know they are in the country and we know the have been deployed. The way the Ukranians have been able to use the aircraft they have, is by flying low, popping up and getting a few shots off and then immediately bugging out back on the deck. That mission profile is limited.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Heard the best thing on the actual fighting from a retired USAF bird colonel on the radio today.

                    His take? We know some big things, but a lot of what is going on is obscured by lack of intelligence, abundant propaganda on both sides and no firm numbers. He has been surprised by the lack of use of precision guided munitions...We know the Russians have them, as they used them in Syria, but the Russians have used dumb bombs for the vast majority of the campaign. Why? Nobody knows.

                    One thing he did address was the MIG-29 deal...He thought more planes would not be especially helpful for Ukraine. Reason? The Russians have perhaps the best SAM in the world for nonstealth aircraft...Without terrain, the kill zone is 50 miles. We know they are in the country and we know the have been deployed. The way the Ukranians have been able to use the aircraft they have, is by flying low, popping up and getting a few shots off and then immediately bugging out back on the deck. That mission profile is limited.

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                    George K
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                    @Jolly I've read that Ukraine still has 80% of their fighters.

                    Seems like that strategy is working.

                    As to guided munitions, I remember reading that they are dependent upon encrypted data, and Ukraine has really screwed that up. I may be a bit off here, so bear with me...

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      European defense official estimates Russian KIA at 7-9k “as of a few days ago”.

                      We lost fewer Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan over 20 years than Russia has lost in Ukrainian in 3 weeks.

                      George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      European defense official estimates Russian KIA at 7-9k “as of a few days ago”.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                      LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
                      • George KG George K

                        @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        European defense official estimates Russian KIA at 7-9k “as of a few days ago”.

                        LuFins DadL Offline
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                        LuFins Dad
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                        #21

                        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        European defense official estimates Russian KIA at 7-9k “as of a few days ago”.

                        Holy crap. No wonder the Belarus army is saying "No way, Jose" to going in... At some point this has to start hitting hard on the homefront in Russia.

                        The Brad

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                          Assessing the Russian Army Performance After One Week of War

                          Note: Title says "after one week," but it was published two days ago.

                          Takeaways:

                          Given the sheer number of units pulled from across Russia for the invasion, planning for the operation would have been a central military task for the General Staff. However, as the war grinds on, we are beginning to see cracks in the Russians’ planning. The opening air and missile attacks appear to have failed to defeat the Ukrainian air force and air-defense forces. Russian logistics planning may not have accounted for fuel shortages stemming from combat losses of transport vehicles or soldier indiscipline. Russian planners also seem to have underestimated the will of the Ukrainians to fight, the effectiveness of Western anti-tank and man-portable anti-aircraft weapons, and the will of the European nations to continue arming a defiant Ukrainian state.

                          Russian Army has not appeared to integrate a number of key combat multipliers effectively—good examples are coordinating airstrikes and employing electronic warfare (EW). The absence of overwhelming Russian airpower is perplexing. Reasons might include a lack of confidence in the coordination between Russian air and Ground Forces’ air defense units, the continued presence of Ukrainian anti-aircraft weapons, and the influx of Stinger anti-aircraft missiles to Ukraine. Commanders may also lack confidence in pushing too many aircraft into airspace filled with indirect artillery and rocket fires, especially given the vast number of firing units.

                          The Russians are operating with a complete absence of operational surprise. Commercial satellite imagery provides a fairly accurate picture of current Russian force dispositions, and every local Ukrainian with a cell phone has the ability to film and post Russian movements in real time. Journalists and pundits operating on social media further analyze these posts to geolocate and confirm their authenticity.

                          “Rasputitsa” is the Russian word for the spring and fall seasons of the year when cross-country mobility becomes difficult; traditionally, the spring Rasputitsa lasts to May. Along with an apparent lack of basic vehicle recovery procedures, this has resulted in Russian tracked and wheeled vehicles becoming stuck and often abandoned in muddy fields. Due to a lack of off-road mobility, the Russians are now road bound.

                          The Russian 12-month conscription term is too short to acquire advanced skills, leaving most conscripts to fill basic jobs like driver or crewman in the battalion tactical groups. Additionally, it is still early in the Russian winter training cycle, leaving many of the conscripts not fully trained.

                          Initial observations of the Russian operation indicate that planning for the early stages of the operation was faulty. Command and control was overly simplified, maneuver was constrained, and tactical proficiency lacking.

                          Viewed collectively, these shortcomings likely point to insufficient training or experience in military staffs. Past large-scale exercises were often scripted. This may be the first time many of the Combined Arms Army and lower echelon staff have planned such a complex operation. While many of the Russian commanders and surely select staff officers have combat experience in Syria, the majority of the staff likely do not. Deploying individual officers or select tactical units does not directly translate into experienced, functioning staff able to plan and execute combined arms combat operations, often while on the march.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • RenaudaR Offline
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                            Renauda
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                            Possible good news for Taiwan:

                            https://www.cfr.org/blog/putins-aggression-against-ukraine-deals-blow-chinas-hopes-taiwan?amp

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              Probably one of the best panel webinars on the subject in the past two weeks. Military, diplomatic and economic topics. Broadcast this am so it is fairly up to date:

                              https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/event/putins-war-wont-fly/?mkt_tok=NjU5LVdaWC0wNzUAAAGDE461da9mfL9mlmPRqhCBEsQMK5n5KX71ps6wEm-ji7CT6Zpy7KWpGqcko7PzrkpRBGVd0iXNxjnehyIQ8rWcueE5wAJFTOMETdWKQqCtZA

                              Well worth your hour of time.

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #24

                              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Probably one of the best panel webinars on the subject in the past two weeks. Military, diplomatic and economic topics. Broadcast this am so it is fairly up to date:

                              https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/event/putins-war-wont-fly/?mkt_tok=NjU5LVdaWC0wNzUAAAGDE461da9mfL9mlmPRqhCBEsQMK5n5KX71ps6wEm-ji7CT6Zpy7KWpGqcko7PzrkpRBGVd0iXNxjnehyIQ8rWcueE5wAJFTOMETdWKQqCtZA

                              Well worth your hour of time.

                              Agreed. The retired General was particularly interesting.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Probably one of the best panel webinars on the subject in the past two weeks. Military, diplomatic and economic topics. Broadcast this am so it is fairly up to date:

                                https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/event/putins-war-wont-fly/?mkt_tok=NjU5LVdaWC0wNzUAAAGDE461da9mfL9mlmPRqhCBEsQMK5n5KX71ps6wEm-ji7CT6Zpy7KWpGqcko7PzrkpRBGVd0iXNxjnehyIQ8rWcueE5wAJFTOMETdWKQqCtZA

                                Well worth your hour of time.

                                Agreed. The retired General was particularly interesting.

                                George KG Offline
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                                George K
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                                @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Agreed. The retired General was particularly interesting.

                                That was, indeed, an hour well-spent. @Renauda , thanks for linking that.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • RenaudaR Renauda

                                  Possible good news for Taiwan:

                                  https://www.cfr.org/blog/putins-aggression-against-ukraine-deals-blow-chinas-hopes-taiwan?amp

                                  taiwan_girlT Online
                                  taiwan_girlT Online
                                  taiwan_girl
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                                  #26

                                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  Possible good news for Taiwan:

                                  https://www.cfr.org/blog/putins-aggression-against-ukraine-deals-blow-chinas-hopes-taiwan?amp

                                  makes alot of sense. I have been hearing the same.

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                                    Renauda
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                                    The Putin family photo:

                                    71538966-f65c-4ede-a1ef-4574942959df-image.png

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
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                                      A different take on the situation. Would be curious as to what bach has to say:

                                      https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/much-of-the-world-is-ambivalent-about-the-ukraine-war-rightly-so/?fbclid=IwAR0kPtlh6Ic4yah4dW4ldIaizT-ODb-e50n-H1btf35pCDdr7AtYO2eKBLE

                                      Elbows up!

                                      George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        A different take on the situation. Would be curious as to what bach has to say:

                                        https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/much-of-the-world-is-ambivalent-about-the-ukraine-war-rightly-so/?fbclid=IwAR0kPtlh6Ic4yah4dW4ldIaizT-ODb-e50n-H1btf35pCDdr7AtYO2eKBLE

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                                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        A different take on the situation. Would be curious as to what bach has to say:

                                        https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/much-of-the-world-is-ambivalent-about-the-ukraine-war-rightly-so/?fbclid=IwAR0kPtlh6Ic4yah4dW4ldIaizT-ODb-e50n-H1btf35pCDdr7AtYO2eKBLE

                                        In the Arab world, it is safe to say that the collective outrage in the West over the invasion of a weaker country by a stronger country is seen as conspicuously inconsistent. The US traveled 6,000 miles to invade Iraq over a non-existent threat, after all

                                        Iraq was perceived as a threat by most intelligence services of western countries at the time. It may have been wrong, but it was not at the time. Because "after all."

                                        It's interesting that the occupation of Kuwait is not mentioned.

                                        while Russia has invaded a neighboring country that is well-stocked with weapons, and was seeking to join what they perceive to be as a hostile military alliance. The irony is not lost on the Arab public.

                                        So perception of a threat is OK for the Russians, but not for the US?

                                        But, an interesting article about "perceptions" of "threats".

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          A different take on the situation. Would be curious as to what bach has to say:

                                          https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/much-of-the-world-is-ambivalent-about-the-ukraine-war-rightly-so/?fbclid=IwAR0kPtlh6Ic4yah4dW4ldIaizT-ODb-e50n-H1btf35pCDdr7AtYO2eKBLE

                                          In the Arab world, it is safe to say that the collective outrage in the West over the invasion of a weaker country by a stronger country is seen as conspicuously inconsistent. The US traveled 6,000 miles to invade Iraq over a non-existent threat, after all

                                          Iraq was perceived as a threat by most intelligence services of western countries at the time. It may have been wrong, but it was not at the time. Because "after all."

                                          It's interesting that the occupation of Kuwait is not mentioned.

                                          while Russia has invaded a neighboring country that is well-stocked with weapons, and was seeking to join what they perceive to be as a hostile military alliance. The irony is not lost on the Arab public.

                                          So perception of a threat is OK for the Russians, but not for the US?

                                          But, an interesting article about "perceptions" of "threats".

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                                          @George-K

                                          I have never thought of any Arab nation as a friend. Of course they sympathise with Putin, they are all tyrannies in their own way - and that includes Jordan.

                                          Elbows up!

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