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  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

    @Doctor-Phibes said in Sanctions?:

    @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

    I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?

    I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…

    Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.

    But there’s recourse against governments. None against businesses…

    Speaking of which, the laws on American companies prevent them from discrimination based on nationality, no?

    Doctor PhibesD Offline
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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on last edited by
    #73

    @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

    @Doctor-Phibes said in Sanctions?:

    @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

    I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?

    I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…

    Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.

    But there’s recourse against governments. None against businesses…

    That's not true at all. Shareholders have power, as do customers of the business in question. The people being directly affected typically don't have much say in the matter either way.

    I was only joking

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #74

      Leading from Behind:

      U.S. to Ban Russian Flights From American Airspace

      Move follows similar prohibitions by European and Canadian authorities

      The U.S. government will ban Russian aircraft from American airspace, broadening aviation restrictions as the West expands sanctions over the war in Ukraine, President Biden said Tuesday during his State of the Union address.

      “Tonight I am announcing that we will join our allies in closing off American air space to all Russian flights—further isolating Russia—and adding an additional squeeze on their economy,” Mr. Biden said.

      Orders blocking Russian aircraft and airlines from entering U.S. airspace will be effective by the end of Wednesday, the U.S. Department of Transportation and Federal Aviation Administration said Tuesday evening.

      The sweeping orders will mean any plane owned, certified, operated, registered, chartered, leased, or controlled by, for, or for the benefit of a person who is a citizen of Russia will be prohibited from flying over the U.S., the agencies said. The prohibition applies to scheduled and charter passenger and cargo flights.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by
        #75

        Great thread:

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • ImprovisoI Improviso

          @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

          @Jolly

          People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker.

          Until their iPhones stop working.

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          Improviso
          wrote on last edited by Improviso
          #76

          @Improviso said in Sanctions?:

          @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

          @Jolly

          People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker.

          Until their iPhones stop working.

          Oh Noes... ApplePay stopped working. The poor little dears. What will they do?

          We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
          Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #77

            No surprise there.

            Someone commented: "Surely the US would be unable to pay for them, and it’d be illegal for them to buy anyway… sounds performative"

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
              jon-nycJ Offline
              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #78

              Elon Musk likes this.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
              George KG 1 Reply Last reply
              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Elon Musk likes this.

                George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by George K
                #79

                @jon-nyc said in Sanctions?:

                Elon Musk likes this.

                In the twitter thread, someone commented that the US has at least 10 US manufacturers of rocket motors from which to choose. I have no knowledge if that's true.

                MAGRA!

                Make American Rocketry Great Again!

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  @Jolly

                  According to MIL, people our age or older are not buying any of the BS. People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker. The middle generation is mixed although the sanctions will definitely hit them hardest especially in the large cities. The rural areas though are firmly behind Putin.

                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
                  Aqua Letifer
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #80

                  @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                  @Jolly

                  According to MIL, people our age or older are not buying any of the BS. People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker. The middle generation is mixed although the sanctions will definitely hit them hardest especially in the large cities. The rural areas though are firmly behind Putin.

                  According to social media—which everyone here has access to by the way so there's no need to guess—this is pretty much what's going on, although it seems that not all young people are buying it.

                  ...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.

                  Please love yourself.

                  LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
                  • CopperC Offline
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                    Copper
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #81

                    Too lazy to look up the details, but it was maybe 10-12 years ago Orbital had a rocket blow up on the pad at Wallops Island.

                    It was a Russian rocket, supplied to Orbital, that blew up. I talked to the guy who was buying those Russian rockets (former Shuttle and Station commander). At the time those were the only option. Although they continued to use Russian rockets for a while, that explosion gave incentive to make more American rockets available.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @jon-nyc said in Sanctions?:

                      Elon Musk likes this.

                      In the twitter thread, someone commented that the US has at least 10 US manufacturers of rocket motors from which to choose. I have no knowledge if that's true.

                      MAGRA!

                      Make American Rocketry Great Again!

                      HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #82

                      @George-K said in Sanctions?:

                      @jon-nyc said in Sanctions?:

                      Elon Musk likes this.

                      In the twitter thread, someone commented that the US has at least 10 US manufacturers of rocket motors from which to choose. I have no knowledge if that's true.

                      MAGRA!

                      Make American Rocketry Great Again!

                      That would be MARGA. Posting for a friend.

                      Education is extremely important.

                      Doctor PhibesD George KG 2 Replies Last reply
                      • HoraceH Horace

                        @George-K said in Sanctions?:

                        @jon-nyc said in Sanctions?:

                        Elon Musk likes this.

                        In the twitter thread, someone commented that the US has at least 10 US manufacturers of rocket motors from which to choose. I have no knowledge if that's true.

                        MAGRA!

                        Make American Rocketry Great Again!

                        That would be MARGA. Posting for a friend.

                        Doctor PhibesD Offline
                        Doctor PhibesD Offline
                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                        #83

                        @Horace said in Sanctions?:

                        @George-K said in Sanctions?:

                        @jon-nyc said in Sanctions?:

                        Elon Musk likes this.

                        In the twitter thread, someone commented that the US has at least 10 US manufacturers of rocket motors from which to choose. I have no knowledge if that's true.

                        MAGRA!

                        Make American Rocketry Great Again!

                        That would be MARGA. Posting for a friend.

                        All right, all right. Very funny.

                        Just wait until you fuck up some inconsequential detail. Then I'll have you!

                        I was only joking

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @George-K said in Sanctions?:

                          @jon-nyc said in Sanctions?:

                          Elon Musk likes this.

                          In the twitter thread, someone commented that the US has at least 10 US manufacturers of rocket motors from which to choose. I have no knowledge if that's true.

                          MAGRA!

                          Make American Rocketry Great Again!

                          That would be MARGA. Posting for a friend.

                          George KG Offline
                          George KG Offline
                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #84

                          @Horace said in Sanctions?:

                          That would be MARGA. Posting for a friend.

                          LOL.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                            @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                            @Jolly

                            According to MIL, people our age or older are not buying any of the BS. People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker. The middle generation is mixed although the sanctions will definitely hit them hardest especially in the large cities. The rural areas though are firmly behind Putin.

                            According to social media—which everyone here has access to by the way so there's no need to guess—this is pretty much what's going on, although it seems that not all young people are buying it.

                            ...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.

                            LuFins DadL Offline
                            LuFins DadL Offline
                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #85

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                            @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                            @Jolly

                            ...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.

                            STFU.

                            The Brad

                            Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                              @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                              @Jolly

                              ...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.

                              STFU.

                              Aqua LetiferA Offline
                              Aqua LetiferA Offline
                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #86

                              @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                              @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                              @Jolly

                              ...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.

                              STFU.

                              Comments like that are completely expected and the main reason why I say such things here!

                              Please love yourself.

                              LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                                @Jolly

                                ...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.

                                STFU.

                                Comments like that are completely expected and the main reason why I say such things here!

                                LuFins DadL Offline
                                LuFins DadL Offline
                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on last edited by LuFins Dad
                                #87

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                                @Jolly

                                ...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.

                                STFU.

                                Comments like that are completely expected and the main reason why I say such things here!

                                You do realize that in 48 hours I will be closer to 100 than I am from my birth?

                                The Brad

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                  @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                                  @Jolly

                                  ...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.

                                  STFU.

                                  Comments like that are completely expected and the main reason why I say such things here!

                                  You do realize that in 48 hours I will be closer to 100 than I am from my birth?

                                  jon-nycJ Offline
                                  jon-nycJ Offline
                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #88

                                  @LuFins-Dad

                                  Welcome, Padawan.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                    @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                                    @Jolly

                                    ...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.

                                    STFU.

                                    Comments like that are completely expected and the main reason why I say such things here!

                                    You do realize that in 48 hours I will be closer to 100 than I am from my birth?

                                    Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                    Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                    Aqua Letifer
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #89

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                    @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                                    @Jolly

                                    ...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.

                                    STFU.

                                    Comments like that are completely expected and the main reason why I say such things here!

                                    You do realize that in 48 hours I will be closer to 100 than I am from my birth?

                                    Hey I'm busy planning out my own midlife crisis, I can't also take on yours!

                                    Please love yourself.

                                    LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                      @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                                      @Jolly

                                      ...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.

                                      STFU.

                                      Comments like that are completely expected and the main reason why I say such things here!

                                      You do realize that in 48 hours I will be closer to 100 than I am from my birth?

                                      JollyJ Offline
                                      JollyJ Offline
                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #90

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                      @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                                      @Jolly

                                      ...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.

                                      STFU.

                                      Comments like that are completely expected and the main reason why I say such things here!

                                      You do realize that in 48 hours I will be closer to 100 than I am from my birth?

                                      Funny, you always looked a little older to the rest of us...

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:

                                        @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                                        @Jolly

                                        ...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.

                                        STFU.

                                        Comments like that are completely expected and the main reason why I say such things here!

                                        You do realize that in 48 hours I will be closer to 100 than I am from my birth?

                                        CopperC Offline
                                        CopperC Offline
                                        Copper
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #91

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:

                                        You do realize that in 48 hours I will be closer to 100 than I am from my birth?

                                        You do realize that in 48 hours I will be closer to 134 than I am from my birth?

                                        I don't even want to think about GK.

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                                        • George KG Offline
                                          George KG Offline
                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #92

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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