Sanctions against Russia
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Russia is getting deplatformed from the world. The war in Ukraine is in many ways a traditional military clash involving tanks, missiles, diplomats, and supply lines. But nonstate actors have started taking sides—well, taking one side—in ways that the world hasn't seen before, with private sector businesses and international organizations responding to Russia's attack on its neighbor by cutting ties with Moscow, and in some cases sacrificing huge sums of money. Combined with the sanctions imposed by the United States and Europe (and perhaps motivated by them too), this mass exodus of foreign capital is demonstrating how the market can punish even powerful states for dangerous and unjustified behavior.
@George-K said in Sanctions?:
“… demonstrating how the market can punish even powerful states for dangerous and unjustified behavior.”
Russia may be militarily powerful but Russia is economically weak. “The market” can punish economically weak states just fine. Whether “the market” can punish the economically strong states is not yet demonstrated.
For any punishment dished out by the “the market” on Russia this go around, imagine the same being contemplated to, say, China, and ask yourself whether it will be effective. (E.g., Apple removing apps or essential functionalities from China? Only if Apple thinks it can survive without manufacturing its iPhones and iPads and Macs in China.)
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I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
The Brad
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I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
They should build their own banking and manufacturing infrastructure, right?
Because shut up and bake the cake.
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I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Sanctions?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
But there’s recourse against governments. None against businesses…
Speaking of which, the laws on American companies prevent them from discrimination based on nationality, no?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Sanctions?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
But there’s recourse against governments. None against businesses…
Speaking of which, the laws on American companies prevent them from discrimination based on nationality, no?
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Sanctions?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
I’m more than a little leery about Private Businesses choosing to sanction a foreign nation on their own. Freezing bank accounts, suspending credit accounts, with no recourse?
I get that this is seemingly a cut and dried case of Russian government being evil, but I’m not sure that these businesses should have the right to be judge jury and executioner. It will be too easy for them to do it again now that they see that they can AND it’s effective, but maybe the next case isn’t as cut and dried…
Governments have been deciding to do this for years, and I don't particularly trust them more than I trust, say, Apple.
But there’s recourse against governments. None against businesses…
That's not true at all. Shareholders have power, as do customers of the business in question. The people being directly affected typically don't have much say in the matter either way.
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Leading from Behind:
U.S. to Ban Russian Flights From American Airspace
Move follows similar prohibitions by European and Canadian authorities
The U.S. government will ban Russian aircraft from American airspace, broadening aviation restrictions as the West expands sanctions over the war in Ukraine, President Biden said Tuesday during his State of the Union address.
“Tonight I am announcing that we will join our allies in closing off American air space to all Russian flights—further isolating Russia—and adding an additional squeeze on their economy,” Mr. Biden said.
Orders blocking Russian aircraft and airlines from entering U.S. airspace will be effective by the end of Wednesday, the U.S. Department of Transportation and Federal Aviation Administration said Tuesday evening.
The sweeping orders will mean any plane owned, certified, operated, registered, chartered, leased, or controlled by, for, or for the benefit of a person who is a citizen of Russia will be prohibited from flying over the U.S., the agencies said. The prohibition applies to scheduled and charter passenger and cargo flights.
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@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker.
Until their iPhones stop working.
@Improviso said in Sanctions?:
@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker.
Until their iPhones stop working.
Oh Noes... ApplePay stopped working. The poor little dears. What will they do?
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@jon-nyc said in Sanctions?:
Elon Musk likes this.
In the twitter thread, someone commented that the US has at least 10 US manufacturers of rocket motors from which to choose. I have no knowledge if that's true.
MAGRA!
Make American Rocketry Great Again!
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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According to MIL, people our age or older are not buying any of the BS. People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker. The middle generation is mixed although the sanctions will definitely hit them hardest especially in the large cities. The rural areas though are firmly behind Putin.
@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
According to MIL, people our age or older are not buying any of the BS. People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker. The middle generation is mixed although the sanctions will definitely hit them hardest especially in the large cities. The rural areas though are firmly behind Putin.
According to social media—which everyone here has access to by the way so there's no need to guess—this is pretty much what's going on, although it seems that not all young people are buying it.
...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.
Please love yourself.
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Too lazy to look up the details, but it was maybe 10-12 years ago Orbital had a rocket blow up on the pad at Wallops Island.
It was a Russian rocket, supplied to Orbital, that blew up. I talked to the guy who was buying those Russian rockets (former Shuttle and Station commander). At the time those were the only option. Although they continued to use Russian rockets for a while, that explosion gave incentive to make more American rockets available.
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@jon-nyc said in Sanctions?:
Elon Musk likes this.
In the twitter thread, someone commented that the US has at least 10 US manufacturers of rocket motors from which to choose. I have no knowledge if that's true.
MAGRA!
Make American Rocketry Great Again!
@George-K said in Sanctions?:
@jon-nyc said in Sanctions?:
Elon Musk likes this.
In the twitter thread, someone commented that the US has at least 10 US manufacturers of rocket motors from which to choose. I have no knowledge if that's true.
MAGRA!
Make American Rocketry Great Again!
That would be MARGA. Posting for a friend.
Education is extremely important.
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@George-K said in Sanctions?:
@jon-nyc said in Sanctions?:
Elon Musk likes this.
In the twitter thread, someone commented that the US has at least 10 US manufacturers of rocket motors from which to choose. I have no knowledge if that's true.
MAGRA!
Make American Rocketry Great Again!
That would be MARGA. Posting for a friend.
@Horace said in Sanctions?:
@George-K said in Sanctions?:
@jon-nyc said in Sanctions?:
Elon Musk likes this.
In the twitter thread, someone commented that the US has at least 10 US manufacturers of rocket motors from which to choose. I have no knowledge if that's true.
MAGRA!
Make American Rocketry Great Again!
That would be MARGA. Posting for a friend.
All right, all right. Very funny.
Just wait until you fuck up some inconsequential detail. Then I'll have you!
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@George-K said in Sanctions?:
@jon-nyc said in Sanctions?:
Elon Musk likes this.
In the twitter thread, someone commented that the US has at least 10 US manufacturers of rocket motors from which to choose. I have no knowledge if that's true.
MAGRA!
Make American Rocketry Great Again!
That would be MARGA. Posting for a friend.
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@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
According to MIL, people our age or older are not buying any of the BS. People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker. The middle generation is mixed although the sanctions will definitely hit them hardest especially in the large cities. The rural areas though are firmly behind Putin.
According to social media—which everyone here has access to by the way so there's no need to guess—this is pretty much what's going on, although it seems that not all young people are buying it.
...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:
@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.
STFU.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:
@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.
STFU.
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:
@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.
STFU.
Comments like that are completely expected and the main reason why I say such things here!
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@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:
@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.
STFU.
Comments like that are completely expected and the main reason why I say such things here!
@Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Sanctions?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Sanctions?:
@Renauda said in Sanctions?:
...then again my definition of "young people" might need some recalibration. I'm old now.
STFU.
Comments like that are completely expected and the main reason why I say such things here!
You do realize that in 48 hours I will be closer to 100 than I am from my birth?
The Brad
