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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    Pretty good explainer about the effects and limitations of sanctions from Noah Smith.

    https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/the-big-sanctions-a-quick-explainer?utm_source=url

    Only non-witches get due process.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Pretty good explainer about the effects and limitations of sanctions from Noah Smith.

      https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/the-big-sanctions-a-quick-explainer?utm_source=url

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      @jon-nyc

      Very well presented.

      Elbows up!

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        FedEx and UPS suspend deliveries.

        https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/russia-ukraine-live-updates-n1290057

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          FedEx and UPS suspend deliveries.

          https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/russia-ukraine-live-updates-n1290057

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          @George-K said in Sanctions?:

          FedEx and UPS suspend deliveries.

          https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/russia-ukraine-live-updates-n1290057

          Hahahaha...

          No more Chinese shit for Russians. 😂

          We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
          Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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          • George KG Offline
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            Yeah, Turkey.

            Responding to the Treaty...

            https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-02-26/card/uDQCa9dMZsNGZLQsfWYg

            Turkey’s foreign minister said Sunday that the situation in Ukraine had become a war, a legal distinction that paves the way for Ankara to potentially ban Russian warships from entering the Black Sea through a strategic chokepoint.

            Turkey’s government had said on Friday it was working to determine whether a state of war existed in the region. In wartime, Ankara can block some warships from countries involved in the conflict from accessing the Black Sea under the 1936 Montreux Convention.

            “We came to the conclusion that the situation in Ukraine has transformed into a war,” said Foreign Minister MevlĂŒt Çavußoğlu, speaking on CNN Turk. “We will implement all articles of Montreux transparently.”

            Ukraine asked Turkey on Thursday, the first day of the invasion, to close the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits to Russian warships.

            The request put pressure on Turkey, a NATO member that also has close ties to Russia. Turkey has fought Russian proxies in Syria and Libya and also sent armed drones to Ukraine, while President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has also developed a close relationship with Vladimir Putin.

            The Montreux Convention, which grants Turkey control over the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits, allows Turkey to ban ships not based in the Black Sea under certain circumstances during times of war.

            Turkey has invoked a “state of war” to ban warships only one other time in history, during the Second World War when it blocked Germany and Italy from using the Turkish straits to access the Black Sea. Ankara rejected an American request to move warships to the Black Sea in 2008, citing tonnage limits on naval vessels sent from outside the region.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              Yeah, Turkey.

              Responding to the Treaty...

              https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-02-26/card/uDQCa9dMZsNGZLQsfWYg

              Turkey’s foreign minister said Sunday that the situation in Ukraine had become a war, a legal distinction that paves the way for Ankara to potentially ban Russian warships from entering the Black Sea through a strategic chokepoint.

              Turkey’s government had said on Friday it was working to determine whether a state of war existed in the region. In wartime, Ankara can block some warships from countries involved in the conflict from accessing the Black Sea under the 1936 Montreux Convention.

              “We came to the conclusion that the situation in Ukraine has transformed into a war,” said Foreign Minister MevlĂŒt Çavußoğlu, speaking on CNN Turk. “We will implement all articles of Montreux transparently.”

              Ukraine asked Turkey on Thursday, the first day of the invasion, to close the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits to Russian warships.

              The request put pressure on Turkey, a NATO member that also has close ties to Russia. Turkey has fought Russian proxies in Syria and Libya and also sent armed drones to Ukraine, while President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has also developed a close relationship with Vladimir Putin.

              The Montreux Convention, which grants Turkey control over the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits, allows Turkey to ban ships not based in the Black Sea under certain circumstances during times of war.

              Turkey has invoked a “state of war” to ban warships only one other time in history, during the Second World War when it blocked Germany and Italy from using the Turkish straits to access the Black Sea. Ankara rejected an American request to move warships to the Black Sea in 2008, citing tonnage limits on naval vessels sent from outside the region.

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              Renauda
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              @George-K

              More on how the Treaty and Turkey govern warship access to the Black Sea:

              https://www.ejiltalk.org/can-turkey-close-the-turkish-straits-to-russian-warships/

              Elbows up!

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                "Get your stuff off my server!"

                Namecheap terminates services for Russians, asks them to move domains

                Domain registrar Namecheap is emailing customers registered in Russia saying it will no longer provide them with services because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

                "Unfortunately, due to the Russian regime's war crimes and human rights violations in Ukraine, we will no longer be providing services to users registered in Russia," the company says in the emails sent earlier today.

                "While we sympathize that this war may not affect your own views or opinion on the matter, the fact is, your authoritarian government is committing human rights abuses and engaging in war crimes so this is a policy decision we have made and will stand by."

                Namecheap also asked Russian users to move their top-level domains to other providers until March 6 and offered to help those who reach out for assistance with the move.

                The company added that all affected domains would be automatically configured to display 403 Forbidden HTTP errors.

                "If you hold any top-level domains with us, we ask that you transfer them to another provider by March 6, 2022," Namecheap added.

                "Additionally, and with immediate effect, you will no longer be able to use Namecheap Hosting, EasyWP, and Private Email with a domain provided by another registrar in zones .ru, .xn--p1ai (рф), .by, .xn--90ais (бДл), and .su.

                "All websites will resolve to 403 Forbidden, however, you can contact us to assist you with your transfer to another provider."

                Namecheap's CEO also told Russians angry about the company's decision that they have a lot of other providers they can choose to get the same services.

                "We haven't blocked the domains, we are asking people to move. There are plenty of other choices out there when it comes to infrastructure services so this isn't 'deplatforming'," Namecheap CEO Richard Kirkendall explained.

                "People that are getting angry need to point that at the cause, their own government. If more grace time is necessary for some to move, we will provide it."

                Namecheap is a US-based technology company and an ICANN-accredited domain registrar with over 1,700 employees across 18 countries.

                It provides domain registration, DNS, web hosting, and other services to over 2 million customers worldwide and manages more than 14 million domain

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #49

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      I would imagine this is how the russian citizenry will find out about international sentiment towards russia's invasion.

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                      • 89th8 89th

                        I would imagine this is how the russian citizenry will find out about international sentiment towards russia's invasion.

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                        @89th said in Sanctions?:

                        I would imagine this is how the russian citizenry will find out about international sentiment towards russia's invasion.

                        It may take a little longer, but I suspect word is spreading pretty rapidly. I can just imagine what the older folks think, having lived under the Soviets. I wonder what the younger people think?

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @89th said in Sanctions?:

                          I would imagine this is how the russian citizenry will find out about international sentiment towards russia's invasion.

                          It may take a little longer, but I suspect word is spreading pretty rapidly. I can just imagine what the older folks think, having lived under the Soviets. I wonder what the younger people think?

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                          @Jolly said in Sanctions?:

                          I wonder what the younger people think?

                          "You mean EVERYONE is against us? How can that be?"

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @89th said in Sanctions?:

                            I would imagine this is how the russian citizenry will find out about international sentiment towards russia's invasion.

                            It may take a little longer, but I suspect word is spreading pretty rapidly. I can just imagine what the older folks think, having lived under the Soviets. I wonder what the younger people think?

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                            @Jolly

                            According to MIL, people our age or older are not buying any of the BS. People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker. The middle generation is mixed although the sanctions will definitely hit them hardest especially in the large cities. The rural areas though are firmly behind Putin.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              @Jolly

                              According to MIL, people our age or older are not buying any of the BS. People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker. The middle generation is mixed although the sanctions will definitely hit them hardest especially in the large cities. The rural areas though are firmly behind Putin.

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                              @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                              @Jolly

                              People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker.

                              Until their iPhones stop working.

                              We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                              Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                              • ImprovisoI Improviso

                                @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                                @Jolly

                                People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker.

                                Until their iPhones stop working.

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                                @Improviso

                                Good point.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  Is Russia being 'cancelled'?

                                  Russia is getting deplatformed from the world. The war in Ukraine is in many ways a traditional military clash involving tanks, missiles, diplomats, and supply lines. But nonstate actors have started taking sides—well, taking one side—in ways that the world hasn't seen before, with private sector businesses and international organizations responding to Russia's attack on its neighbor by cutting ties with Moscow, and in some cases sacrificing huge sums of money. Combined with the sanctions imposed by the United States and Europe (and perhaps motivated by them too), this mass exodus of foreign capital is demonstrating how the market can punish even powerful states for dangerous and unjustified behavior.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    Is Russia being 'cancelled'?

                                    Russia is getting deplatformed from the world. The war in Ukraine is in many ways a traditional military clash involving tanks, missiles, diplomats, and supply lines. But nonstate actors have started taking sides—well, taking one side—in ways that the world hasn't seen before, with private sector businesses and international organizations responding to Russia's attack on its neighbor by cutting ties with Moscow, and in some cases sacrificing huge sums of money. Combined with the sanctions imposed by the United States and Europe (and perhaps motivated by them too), this mass exodus of foreign capital is demonstrating how the market can punish even powerful states for dangerous and unjustified behavior.

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                                    Renauda
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                                    @George-K

                                    If that’s the case, then we can all take some comfort knowing that the world has finally “woke” itself to something that is actually relevant and terribly real.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • ImprovisoI Improviso

                                      @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                                      @Jolly

                                      People under 30 though are buying it hook, line and sinker.

                                      Until their iPhones stop working.

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                                      @Improviso said in Sanctions?:

                                      Until their iPhones stop working.

                                      Or they can't buy them....

                                      https://9to5mac.com/2022/03/01/apple-ukraine-statement-pause-product-sales/

                                      In a statement to media, Apple said it is deeply concerned about the Russian invasion and said it stands with all those who are suffering as a result of the violence. Apple said it is supporting humanitarian efforts and providing relief aid.

                                      Apple also confirmed that it has paused all product sales and stopped exports into the Russian sales channel. It has also pulled the Russian state media apps for RT News and Sputnik News in all App Store regions outside of Russia.

                                      Apple has also followed Google’s lead in disabling live traffic and incident reporting in Ukraine, in collaboration with local authorities.

                                      Apple joins many other companies who are showing solidarity with Ukraine by pulling their products from the region and limiting the spread of state-backed Russian news media.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Will Apple hire an Army when Putin starts shelling in Cupertino?

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                                          Will Apple hire an Army when Putin starts shelling in Cupertino?

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                                          @Copper said in Sanctions?:

                                          Will Apple hire an Army when Putin starts shelling in Cupertino?

                                          With $200B cash on hand, God knows they could.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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