US warns Ukraine invasion may be imminent. Ukraine disagrees.
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wrote on 26 Jan 2022, 13:53 last edited by
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wrote on 26 Jan 2022, 13:57 last edited by
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wrote on 26 Jan 2022, 21:00 last edited by
It’s hard to see NATO or the US doing anything if Russia invades. NATO should but still…hard to see.
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wrote on 26 Jan 2022, 21:02 last edited by
I don't think we will go to a shooting war over Ukraine. But there could be one hell of a lot in the background.
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I don't think we will go to a shooting war over Ukraine. But there could be one hell of a lot in the background.
wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 00:35 last edited by RenaudaI agree, NATO is not going into a hot war with Russia over Ukraine. However, if NATO countries want they can isolate Russia even more than it currently finds itself. The wild card in all this Germany. Outwardly Germany seems to be in line with other NATO members, but behind the scenes it is not taking quite as hard a line as the US, Britain and even France. Putin sees these divisions and is and, will continue at every opportunity, to exploit them to the max. He particularly relishes the divisions in the US. His goal is to render NATO toothless in all but on paper.
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I agree, NATO is not going into a hot war with Russia over Ukraine. However, if NATO countries want they can isolate Russia even more than it currently finds itself. The wild card in all this Germany. Outwardly Germany seems to be in line with other NATO members, but behind the scenes it is not taking quite as hard a line as the US, Britain and even France. Putin sees these divisions and is and, will continue at every opportunity, to exploit them to the max. He particularly relishes the divisions in the US. His goal is to render NATO toothless in all but on paper.
wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 00:38 last edited by@renauda said in US warns Ukraine invasion may be imminent. Ukraine disagrees.:
Outwardly Germany seems to be in line with other NATO members, but behind the scenes it is not taking quite as hard a line as the US, Britain and even France.
Exactly. Wild card it is.
Of course, another question is that of energy. The pipeline for natural gas is important for Germany, if not crucial.
Do you think Germany's position is related to that? Do they have an alternative to Russian natural gas?
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wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 00:40 last edited by
Still don't think Russia will invade, but I could be wrong. The wild card here is Putin and Xi. If Putin goes in and we respond, it gives China the perfect opportunity to move on Taiwan, believing we could not be effective on two fronts.
Let us hope that in both cases it is brinksmanship, testing NATO and America's other alliances. Anything else has the potential to spin out of control.
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@renauda said in US warns Ukraine invasion may be imminent. Ukraine disagrees.:
Outwardly Germany seems to be in line with other NATO members, but behind the scenes it is not taking quite as hard a line as the US, Britain and even France.
Exactly. Wild card it is.
Of course, another question is that of energy. The pipeline for natural gas is important for Germany, if not crucial.
Do you think Germany's position is related to that? Do they have an alternative to Russian natural gas?
wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 00:49 last edited by RenaudaEnergy, overall German investment into Russia and, as Mik just posted, SWIFT (We’ve got bankers!). But that may not be all:
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wrote on 27 Jan 2022, 02:16 last edited by Mik
Yeah, a lack of solidarity in NATO is a bad thing in the face of aggression. I suppose Germany has too much to lose financially and energy-wise.
SWIFT is more of a threat than a viable weapon. Anything where such action has to be unanimous is pretty close to a guarantee that trigger won't get pulled. Hopefully they have in-between measures so that it could get worse still for Russia.
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wrote on 11 Feb 2022, 01:06 last edited by
"Biden warns Americans in Ukraine to leave ..."
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wrote on 11 Feb 2022, 01:28 last edited by Renauda 2 Nov 2022, 01:34
Ax you realize, I hope, that Biden regardless of being a doddering old fool, has to say things like that for domestic consumption. If he didn’t and the Russians invaded, he would be more than just pilloried by his own electorate.
In any case there might just be some chinks in Putin’s armour from a source you might find surprising:
I know for a fact that open letter is causing quite the public buzz in Russia.
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wrote on 11 Feb 2022, 02:20 last edited by
Mr. Putin might be well served to remember the quote “I must find out where my people are going so I may lead them”
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wrote on 11 Feb 2022, 02:32 last edited by
Just read the whole article. Makes a lot of sense.
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Mr. Putin might be well served to remember the quote “I must find out where my people are going so I may lead them”
wrote on 11 Feb 2022, 04:36 last edited by Renauda 2 Nov 2022, 13:52True, however I suspect that Putin has become so removed from reality, that he actually believes that he has become the incarnation of his own imagination’s idea of a 19th century Tsar. He even has co-opted Orthodox clergy to reinforce that very notion from the Sunday pulpit.
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wrote on 11 Feb 2022, 04:50 last edited by
Let us hope not, but remaining in power for too long has negative consequences for most everybody.
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Let us hope not, but remaining in power for too long has negative consequences for most everybody.
wrote on 11 Feb 2022, 12:47 last edited by@mik said in US warns Ukraine invasion may be imminent. Ukraine disagrees.:
remaining in power for too long has negative consequences for most everybody
You've got that right. I've been a middle-manager for nigh-on 20 years, and sometimes I wake up shouting "HR????? YOU WANNA SEE, HR, ASSHOLE? I'VE GOT A MANILA FOLDER CONTAINING THE DETAILS OF ALL YOUR BATHROOM BREAKS IN MY FILING CABINET! AND LET ME TELL YOU, IT'S NOT A PRETTY SITE!!!"
Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
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wrote on 11 Feb 2022, 12:50 last edited by
We’re 2 months away from double digit inflation…
The Brad
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We’re 2 months away from double digit inflation…
wrote on 11 Feb 2022, 16:34 last edited by@lufins-dad said in US warns Ukraine invasion may be imminent. Ukraine disagrees.:
We’re 2 months away from double digit inflation…
A war would be a nice distraction.
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wrote on 11 Feb 2022, 21:18 last edited by George K 2 Nov 2022, 21:19
