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  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

    Significant Minority? 80,000,000 unvaccinated adults. Another 25,000,000 that avoided the vaccine until the last month. Where do you think they fall into the debate? Then, how many people that are like me, Copper, Horace, Jolly? People that gladly chose to be vaccinated but are deadset against having people strong armed into it? How many people like George and Mik, that aren’t as deadset against it as I am, but still find it to be overreach and likely illegal?

    You may be wrong about the minority opinion.

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    @lufins-dad said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

    deadset

    FWIW I’m very much against vaccines being required, and in this case it’s a significant abuse of power from the executive branch.

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      Why now? Florida, Louisiana, and Texas have all not just crested, but the numbers are dropping quickly. If you go through the graphs of each state, you'll see that almost all have leveled off or even started to drop despite being 3-4 weeks into the new school year. We're aware of the problems with Delta and the vaccines, and those most at risk are getting their boosters. We've got an effective treatment with Regeneron and access to monoclonal antibodies is increasing. The CDC has estimated that we are getting close to herd immunity and we've vaccinated another 10% of the population over the last 45 days or so. We're just starting to see the daylight from the Delta scare. I'm not saying we're out of the woods, Mu and Lamda are out there, but a vaccine mandate ain't going to do squat with those...

      So why go all macho bigboy pants now? Is it because they know the numbers are going to drop regardless and they want to have some action that they can point to to try and take credit?

      The Brad

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
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        Because anything is better than Afghanistan as the lead story.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          Why now? Florida, Louisiana, and Texas have all not just crested, but the numbers are dropping quickly. If you go through the graphs of each state, you'll see that almost all have leveled off or even started to drop despite being 3-4 weeks into the new school year. We're aware of the problems with Delta and the vaccines, and those most at risk are getting their boosters. We've got an effective treatment with Regeneron and access to monoclonal antibodies is increasing. The CDC has estimated that we are getting close to herd immunity and we've vaccinated another 10% of the population over the last 45 days or so. We're just starting to see the daylight from the Delta scare. I'm not saying we're out of the woods, Mu and Lamda are out there, but a vaccine mandate ain't going to do squat with those...

          So why go all macho bigboy pants now? Is it because they know the numbers are going to drop regardless and they want to have some action that they can point to to try and take credit?

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          @lufins-dad said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

          Why now? Florida, Louisiana, and Texas have all not just crested, but the numbers are dropping quickly. If you go through the graphs of each state, you'll see that almost all have leveled off or even started to drop despite being 3-4 weeks into the new school year. We're aware of the problems with Delta and the vaccines, and those most at risk are getting their boosters. We've got an effective treatment with Regeneron and access to monoclonal antibodies is increasing. The CDC has estimated that we are getting close to herd immunity and we've vaccinated another 10% of the population over the last 45 days or so. We're just starting to see the daylight from the Delta scare. I'm not saying we're out of the woods, Mu and Lamda are out there, but a vaccine mandate ain't going to do squat with those...

          So why go all macho bigboy pants now? Is it because they know the numbers are going to drop regardless and they want to have some action that they can point to to try and take credit?

          I've done one COVID test today. Saturday before last, I did 20.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Conresscritters and other congressional employees are exempt.

            https://www.newsweek.com/members-congress-staff-exempt-biden-covid-vaccine-mandate-1627859?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1631289096

            USPS is “considering” whether to comply.

            https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2021/09/postal-service-takes-wait-and-see-approach-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/185277/

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              #110

              @lufins-dad said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

              Why now? Florida, Louisiana, and Texas have all not just crested, but the numbers are dropping quickly. If you go through the graphs of each state, you'll see that almost all have leveled off or even started to drop despite being 3-4 weeks into the new school year. We're aware of the problems with Delta and the vaccines, and those most at risk are getting their boosters. We've got an effective treatment with Regeneron and access to monoclonal antibodies is increasing. The CDC has estimated that we are getting close to herd immunity and we've vaccinated another 10% of the population over the last 45 days or so. We're just starting to see the daylight from the Delta scare. I'm not saying we're out of the woods, Mu and Lamda are out there, but a vaccine mandate ain't going to do squat with those...

              So why go all macho bigboy pants now? Is it because they know the numbers are going to drop regardless and they want to have some action that they can point to to try and take credit?
              This is definitely one reason why.

              https://news.yahoo.com/alabama-man-dies-cardiac-event-223018300.html
              The family of a man who died of heart issues in Mississippi is asking people to get vaccinated for COVID-19 after 43 hospitals across three states were unable to accept him because of full cardiac ICUs.

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
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                Delta is making its way through other states Ohio is showing very high numbers and climbing.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  Delta is making its way through other states Ohio is showing very high numbers and climbing.

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                  @mik said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

                  Delta is making its way through other states Ohio is showing very high numbers and climbing.

                  Yes, There are a few areas where it is still growing (Ohio and Idaho pop to mind) but most states have leveled off.

                  The Brad

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                    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/10/cullman-al-man-dies-hospitals-full-icus-turn-away-covid/8281712002/

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      It's been almost 2 weeks and there's still nothing from OSHA about this.

                      The fierce urgency of "soon."

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        #115

                        UAB retracted their mandate after it became evident they were going to have a large portion of their staff walk out of the hospital. I've read about the same thing happening in other places.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Besides, it's all political.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Here’s my question… The biggest threat about the hospital systems being overrun is manpower, no? That’s the biggest resource that’s in shortest supply, right? So they’ve really pushed on this mandate for healthcare workers and my understanding is that the workers aren’t budging. So are they really going to force out 25% of the healthcare workers when we need them the most? That hits me as the height of stupidity.

                            If I’m in an accident this afternoon, I’d rather have unvaxxed healthcare workers taking care of me than vaccinated workers that are stretched too thin.

                            The Brad

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                            • MikM Mik

                              Also interesting was that he condemned the GOP's slide toward authoritarianism.

                              On the day after Biden threatened people's livelihoods if they don't take the shot. Jesus, he is blinded.

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                              #118

                              @mik said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

                              On the day after Biden threatened people's livelihoods if they don't take the shot.

                              This is a testing mandate ultimately. It’s just that a vaccine exempts you.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                I moved to the U.S. for school. I didn't have great vaccination records (moved around a bunch, paper records). One of the first things the school made me do was get about 5 shots before I could register for classes.

                                I associate the U.S. with vaccine mandates.

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                                  This isn’t a vaccine mandate.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    It's close enough for government work...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      This isn’t a vaccine mandate.

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                                      LuFins Dad
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                                      @jon-nyc said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

                                      This isn’t a vaccine mandate.

                                      If course it isn’t. To have a vaccine mandate, you would need an actual vaccine 😛.

                                      The Brad

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                                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                        @jon-nyc said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

                                        This isn’t a vaccine mandate.

                                        If course it isn’t. To have a vaccine mandate, you would need an actual vaccine 😛.

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                                        @lufins-dad said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

                                        @jon-nyc said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:

                                        This isn’t a vaccine mandate.

                                        If course it isn’t. To have a vaccine mandate, you would need an actual vaccine 😛.

                                        They changed the definition, albeit post-production...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          @lufins-dad et tu, brute?

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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