Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home
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@doctor-phibes said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
The downside of this particular protest is they're making it personal. The same thing goes for people yelling outside abortion clinics. They're harrassing individuals who have made a decision they don't approve of, and in many cases are people who are already having a really, really difficult day.
You think they are having a bad day? The child is facing a much tougher day…
The abortion debate will always come down to the one big question of when does life begin? And that answer informs your choice. If you believe a 10 week old fetus is a living person, how do you not fight for their protection?
@lufins-dad said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
@doctor-phibes said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
The downside of this particular protest is they're making it personal. The same thing goes for people yelling outside abortion clinics. They're harrassing individuals who have made a decision they don't approve of, and in many cases are people who are already having a really, really difficult day.
You think they are having a bad day? The child is facing a much tougher day…
The abortion debate will always come down to the one big question of when does life begin? And that answer informs your choice. If you believe a 10 week old fetus is a living person, how do you not fight for their protection?
IOW, it's ok to act like a complete twat if your cause is just, which is what I said earlier.
And everybody thinks their cause is just.
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They don't like the court's decision so they are protesting outside of Kavanaugh's home. It would be really nice if people just acted like grown ups when they don't get their way.
@89th said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
They don't like the court's decision so they are protesting outside of Kavanaugh's home. It would be really nice if people just acted like grown ups when they don't get their way.
They are all entirely convinced they are acting like grown-ups. Grown-ups with the courage and principles to do what is right. To be on the right side of history. It is incumbent on such people to be the ones to make a statement, while other sheeple do nothing. They believe this because it's fun and self-serving to believe it, and the belief is reinforced by the broader culture. There is no shame in doing what they do. Only glory, and fun.
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@89th said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
They don't like the court's decision so they are protesting outside of Kavanaugh's home. It would be really nice if people just acted like grown ups when they don't get their way.
They are all entirely convinced they are acting like grown-ups. Grown-ups with the courage and principles to do what is right. To be on the right side of history. It is incumbent on such people to be the ones to make a statement, while other sheeple do nothing. They believe this because it's fun and self-serving to believe it, and the belief is reinforced by the broader culture. There is no shame in doing what they do. Only glory, and fun.
@horace said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
@89th said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
They don't like the court's decision so they are protesting outside of Kavanaugh's home. It would be really nice if people just acted like grown ups when they don't get their way.
There is no shame in doing what they do. Only glory, and fun.
And uterus hats! Don’t forget those…
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It’s only a matter of time before abortion disappears anyway. After all, non-menstruating women can’t have one, so it’s not really appropriate for anyone to have one…
The Brad
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A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
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A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
@mik said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
The TDS-ifiying of the culture. As I've mentioned before, TDS brought righteous political hatreds into the mainstream. They had never been nearly so mainstream before. Then with Jan 6 and its vindication of all that deranged hatred, I think deranged righteous political hatreds are permanently embedded in the culture now.
Education is extremely important.
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@mik said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
The TDS-ifiying of the culture. As I've mentioned before, TDS brought righteous political hatreds into the mainstream. They had never been nearly so mainstream before. Then with Jan 6 and its vindication of all that deranged hatred, I think deranged righteous political hatreds are permanently embedded in the culture now.
@horace said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
@mik said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
The TDS-ifiying of the culture. As I've mentioned before, TDS brought righteous political hatreds into the mainstream. They had never been nearly so mainstream before. Then with Jan 6 and its vindication of all that deranged hatred, I think deranged righteous political hatreds are permanently embedded in the culture now.
Actually these are primarily Trumpers in this case. Incivility knows no bounds.
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@horace said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
@mik said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
The TDS-ifiying of the culture. As I've mentioned before, TDS brought righteous political hatreds into the mainstream. They had never been nearly so mainstream before. Then with Jan 6 and its vindication of all that deranged hatred, I think deranged righteous political hatreds are permanently embedded in the culture now.
Actually these are primarily Trumpers in this case. Incivility knows no bounds.
@mik said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
@horace said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
@mik said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
The TDS-ifiying of the culture. As I've mentioned before, TDS brought righteous political hatreds into the mainstream. They had never been nearly so mainstream before. Then with Jan 6 and its vindication of all that deranged hatred, I think deranged righteous political hatreds are permanently embedded in the culture now.
Actually these are primarily Trumpers in this case. Incivility knows no bounds.
Sure, there's an arms race. Jan 6 was fueled by righteous political hatreds too.
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@mik said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
The TDS-ifiying of the culture. As I've mentioned before, TDS brought righteous political hatreds into the mainstream. They had never been nearly so mainstream before. Then with Jan 6 and its vindication of all that deranged hatred, I think deranged righteous political hatreds are permanently embedded in the culture now.
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This precedes TDS. I would go back to Code Pink and the anti-W protests… Or, as Copper notes, you could go back to Nixon… But Bush is where I noticed a change to the levels of intolerance…
The Brad
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This precedes TDS. I would go back to Code Pink and the anti-W protests… Or, as Copper notes, you could go back to Nixon… But Bush is where I noticed a change to the levels of intolerance…
@lufins-dad said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
This precedes TDS. I would go back to Code Pink and the anti-W protests… Or, as Copper notes, you could go back to Nixon… But Bush is where I noticed a change to the levels of intolerance…
TDS is where I noticed mainstream sufferers openly discussing how to punish Trump supporters, in extra-legal, economic or social ways. It's where I noticed the hatreds becoming a normal part of television shows, movies, and all of pop culture. Not a single one of the people who participated in that stuff look back on it with any regret. Their righteousness, their ability to sniff out the right side of history, is entrenched.
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Isn’t it just dandy that the biggest issues of our day are only ones that you can get two sides only.
How stupid. But remember while that is going on some people are having the best time of cleaning up based on the distraction.
@loki said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
Isn’t it just dandy that the biggest issues of our day are only ones that you can get two sides only.
There's more than two sides to the abortion debate. Least ways, there should be.
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It’s only a matter of time before abortion disappears anyway. After all, non-menstruating women can’t have one, so it’s not really appropriate for anyone to have one…
@lufins-dad said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
After all, non-menstruating women can’t have one, so it’s not really appropriate for anyone to have one…
Ah, you're wrong, there! Look at the FB post I quoted earlier:
Women and girls are not the only people who can get pregnant and need abortions.
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This precedes TDS. I would go back to Code Pink and the anti-W protests… Or, as Copper notes, you could go back to Nixon… But Bush is where I noticed a change to the levels of intolerance…
@lufins-dad said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
This precedes TDS. I would go back to Code Pink and the anti-W protests… Or, as Copper notes, you could go back to Nixon… But Bush is where I noticed a change to the levels of intolerance…
W.
That's where things turned really nasty. Folks tend to forget that escalation begats escalation.
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@lufins-dad said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
This precedes TDS. I would go back to Code Pink and the anti-W protests… Or, as Copper notes, you could go back to Nixon… But Bush is where I noticed a change to the levels of intolerance…
W.
That's where things turned really nasty. Folks tend to forget that escalation begats escalation.
@jolly said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
@lufins-dad said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
This precedes TDS. I would go back to Code Pink and the anti-W protests… Or, as Copper notes, you could go back to Nixon… But Bush is where I noticed a change to the levels of intolerance…
W.
That's where things turned really nasty. Folks tend to forget that escalation begats escalation.
Some have said it started with Clinton. I don't know, I wasn't really paying much attention back then.
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From the RWEC:
18 U.S. Code § 1507. It states that anyone who “with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge. . .shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both” (emphasis added).
I’m not saying the anti-Kavanaugh protesters should be fined or imprisoned, or even arrested. I’m saying that not taking these actions against them seems inconsistent with the treatment of most January 6 protesters being prosecuted by the Biden Justice Department.
To be fair, I should point out that Senate Judiciary Committee members from both parties have denounced the protest at Justice Kavanaugh’s home. They say, correctly in my view, that the families and homes of government officials are not fair game.
Sens. Dick Durbin and Patrick Leahy both took this position. Durbin’s comment was interesting. He said:
When it comes to criminal trespass, we got a belly full of that on January 6th. I don’t care whether you’re right or left, that is unacceptable as far as I’m concerned in expressing your political feelings.
Criminal trespass, or something along those lines, is all the vast majority of January 6 protesters should be charged with.
I hope I’m not being too cynical when I wonder whether Durbin and Leahy are themselves acting “with the intent of influencing” Justice Kavanaugh. After all, he, not Chief Justice Roberts, is now the swing vote on the Supreme Court.
Condemning a demonstration at Kavanaugh’s home seems like a good way to get on the Justice’s good side, or at least off of his sh*t list, where Durbin and Leahy both belong based on their unconscionable stance during Kavanaugh’s confirmation proceedings.
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