Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home
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@jolly said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
Yes.
It's America.
Because you have the legal right to act like an obnoxious twat doesn't mean that it's OK.
This is something a lot of people seem to struggle with.
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Nope, don't struggle with it at all. You seem to have some idea that protesting is not allowed.
It is. If it's on a city street or outside a business or public venue, it is. People have the right to drool in public. Now, we can talk about permits, etc., but protesting is still allowed.
Where I do draw the line, and what I think is Constitutional, is banning protesting and harassing somebody in their own home.
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What is the goal of these protests? Do they expect Kavanaugh to suddenly say “Wow, the power of their convictions are incredible! Maybe I was wrong in my deliberations… Yes! Yes I was! Down with the Texas Law!”
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What is the goal of these protests? Do they expect Kavanaugh to suddenly say “Wow, the power of their convictions are incredible! Maybe I was wrong in my deliberations… Yes! Yes I was! Down with the Texas Law!”
@lufins-dad said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
What is the goal of these protests? Do they expect Kavanaugh to suddenly say “Wow, the power of their convictions are incredible! Maybe I was wrong in my deliberations… Yes! Yes I was! Down with the Texas Law!”
What are the goals of any protest?
Kavanaugh isn't their actual audience.
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@lufins-dad said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
What is the goal of these protests? Do they expect Kavanaugh to suddenly say “Wow, the power of their convictions are incredible! Maybe I was wrong in my deliberations… Yes! Yes I was! Down with the Texas Law!”
What are the goals of any protest?
Kavanaugh isn't their actual audience.
@doctor-phibes said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
@lufins-dad said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
What is the goal of these protests? Do they expect Kavanaugh to suddenly say “Wow, the power of their convictions are incredible! Maybe I was wrong in my deliberations… Yes! Yes I was! Down with the Texas Law!”
What are the goals of any protest?
Kavanaugh isn't their actual audience.
Stole my reply. Nearly every protest I saw in DC was basically a big exercise in catharsis for those involved. Makes people feel better by holding signs and chanting unoriginal phrases.
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The downside of this particular protest is they're making it personal. The same thing goes for people yelling outside abortion clinics. They're harrassing individuals who have made a decision they don't approve of, and in many cases are people who are already having a really, really difficult day.
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The downside of this particular protest is they're making it personal. The same thing goes for people yelling outside abortion clinics. They're harrassing individuals who have made a decision they don't approve of, and in many cases are people who are already having a really, really difficult day.
@doctor-phibes said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
The downside of this particular protest is they're making it personal. The same thing goes for people yelling outside abortion clinics. They're harrassing individuals who have made a decision they don't approve of, and in many cases are people who are already having a really, really difficult day.
You think they are having a bad day? The child is facing a much tougher day…
The abortion debate will always come down to the one big question of when does life begin? And that answer informs your choice. If you believe a 10 week old fetus is a living person, how do you not fight for their protection?
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@doctor-phibes said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
The downside of this particular protest is they're making it personal. The same thing goes for people yelling outside abortion clinics. They're harrassing individuals who have made a decision they don't approve of, and in many cases are people who are already having a really, really difficult day.
You think they are having a bad day? The child is facing a much tougher day…
The abortion debate will always come down to the one big question of when does life begin? And that answer informs your choice. If you believe a 10 week old fetus is a living person, how do you not fight for their protection?
@lufins-dad said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
@doctor-phibes said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
The downside of this particular protest is they're making it personal. The same thing goes for people yelling outside abortion clinics. They're harrassing individuals who have made a decision they don't approve of, and in many cases are people who are already having a really, really difficult day.
You think they are having a bad day? The child is facing a much tougher day…
The abortion debate will always come down to the one big question of when does life begin? And that answer informs your choice. If you believe a 10 week old fetus is a living person, how do you not fight for their protection?
IOW, it's ok to act like a complete twat if your cause is just, which is what I said earlier.
And everybody thinks their cause is just.
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They don't like the court's decision so they are protesting outside of Kavanaugh's home. It would be really nice if people just acted like grown ups when they don't get their way.
@89th said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
They don't like the court's decision so they are protesting outside of Kavanaugh's home. It would be really nice if people just acted like grown ups when they don't get their way.
They are all entirely convinced they are acting like grown-ups. Grown-ups with the courage and principles to do what is right. To be on the right side of history. It is incumbent on such people to be the ones to make a statement, while other sheeple do nothing. They believe this because it's fun and self-serving to believe it, and the belief is reinforced by the broader culture. There is no shame in doing what they do. Only glory, and fun.
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@89th said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
They don't like the court's decision so they are protesting outside of Kavanaugh's home. It would be really nice if people just acted like grown ups when they don't get their way.
They are all entirely convinced they are acting like grown-ups. Grown-ups with the courage and principles to do what is right. To be on the right side of history. It is incumbent on such people to be the ones to make a statement, while other sheeple do nothing. They believe this because it's fun and self-serving to believe it, and the belief is reinforced by the broader culture. There is no shame in doing what they do. Only glory, and fun.
@horace said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
@89th said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
They don't like the court's decision so they are protesting outside of Kavanaugh's home. It would be really nice if people just acted like grown ups when they don't get their way.
There is no shame in doing what they do. Only glory, and fun.
And uterus hats! Don’t forget those…
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It’s only a matter of time before abortion disappears anyway. After all, non-menstruating women can’t have one, so it’s not really appropriate for anyone to have one…
The Brad
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A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
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A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
@mik said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
The TDS-ifiying of the culture. As I've mentioned before, TDS brought righteous political hatreds into the mainstream. They had never been nearly so mainstream before. Then with Jan 6 and its vindication of all that deranged hatred, I think deranged righteous political hatreds are permanently embedded in the culture now.
Education is extremely important.
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@mik said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
The TDS-ifiying of the culture. As I've mentioned before, TDS brought righteous political hatreds into the mainstream. They had never been nearly so mainstream before. Then with Jan 6 and its vindication of all that deranged hatred, I think deranged righteous political hatreds are permanently embedded in the culture now.
@horace said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
@mik said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
The TDS-ifiying of the culture. As I've mentioned before, TDS brought righteous political hatreds into the mainstream. They had never been nearly so mainstream before. Then with Jan 6 and its vindication of all that deranged hatred, I think deranged righteous political hatreds are permanently embedded in the culture now.
Actually these are primarily Trumpers in this case. Incivility knows no bounds.
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@horace said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
@mik said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
The TDS-ifiying of the culture. As I've mentioned before, TDS brought righteous political hatreds into the mainstream. They had never been nearly so mainstream before. Then with Jan 6 and its vindication of all that deranged hatred, I think deranged righteous political hatreds are permanently embedded in the culture now.
Actually these are primarily Trumpers in this case. Incivility knows no bounds.
@mik said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
@horace said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
@mik said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
The TDS-ifiying of the culture. As I've mentioned before, TDS brought righteous political hatreds into the mainstream. They had never been nearly so mainstream before. Then with Jan 6 and its vindication of all that deranged hatred, I think deranged righteous political hatreds are permanently embedded in the culture now.
Actually these are primarily Trumpers in this case. Incivility knows no bounds.
Sure, there's an arms race. Jan 6 was fueled by righteous political hatreds too.
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@mik said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
A good friend has decided to step down from the local school board. he hasn't said it, but those who oppose his views, which are very mainstream, started a movement to boycott his business, a local family pub. Great place.
Civility is a thing of the past it seems.
The TDS-ifiying of the culture. As I've mentioned before, TDS brought righteous political hatreds into the mainstream. They had never been nearly so mainstream before. Then with Jan 6 and its vindication of all that deranged hatred, I think deranged righteous political hatreds are permanently embedded in the culture now.
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This precedes TDS. I would go back to Code Pink and the anti-W protests… Or, as Copper notes, you could go back to Nixon… But Bush is where I noticed a change to the levels of intolerance…
The Brad
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This precedes TDS. I would go back to Code Pink and the anti-W protests… Or, as Copper notes, you could go back to Nixon… But Bush is where I noticed a change to the levels of intolerance…
@lufins-dad said in Protesting outside Kavanaugh's home:
This precedes TDS. I would go back to Code Pink and the anti-W protests… Or, as Copper notes, you could go back to Nixon… But Bush is where I noticed a change to the levels of intolerance…
TDS is where I noticed mainstream sufferers openly discussing how to punish Trump supporters, in extra-legal, economic or social ways. It's where I noticed the hatreds becoming a normal part of television shows, movies, and all of pop culture. Not a single one of the people who participated in that stuff look back on it with any regret. Their righteousness, their ability to sniff out the right side of history, is entrenched.
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