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A more accurate way to compare flu vs COVID deaths

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  • G George K
    15 May 2020, 01:13

    I question that on two bases:

    1. There's some evidence to indicate that COVID deaths are overestimated - to wit, anyone who dies that might be infected with SARS-CoV-2 is considered a "COVID death" even though the cause of death was unrelated. (Disclaimer: the protean effects of the virus might mitigate my comment)

    2. The numbers for influenza mortality are much higher. I know both say "confirmed," but the influenza mortality I've seen is an order of magnitude higher.

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 15 May 2020, 01:57 last edited by
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    @George-K said in A more accurate way to compare flu vs COVID deaths:

    I question that on two bases:

    1. There's some evidence to indicate that COVID deaths are overestimated - to wit, anyone who dies that might be infected with SARS-CoV-2 is considered a "COVID death" even though the cause of death was unrelated. (Disclaimer: the protean effects of the virus might mitigate my comment)

    2. The numbers for influenza mortality are much higher. I know both say "confirmed," but the influenza mortality I've seen is an order of magnitude higher.

    I think the balance of the evidence is that they’re understated. See that EMS guy’s report you posted.

    I agree with number two. Mik’s source is comparing confirmed deaths, but far fewer influenza deaths are confirmed, so the estimates are a better way to go.

    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 15 May 2020, 01:59 last edited by
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      How many people do you know who died of the flu, ever?

      For me just one in my whole life, and it happened in February. Flu A, confirmed.

      I personally know two Covid deaths, both happened in the last six weeks.

      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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        Copper
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          • J jon-nyc
            15 May 2020, 01:59

            How many people do you know who died of the flu, ever?

            For me just one in my whole life, and it happened in February. Flu A, confirmed.

            I personally know two Covid deaths, both happened in the last six weeks.

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            Jolly
            wrote on 15 May 2020, 12:37 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in A more accurate way to compare flu vs COVID deaths:

            How many people do you know who died of the flu, ever?

            For me just one in my whole life, and it happened in February. Flu A, confirmed.

            I personally know two Covid deaths, both happened in the last six weeks.

            I know of a lot, but then I'm the guy doing the testing...

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              Copper
              wrote on 15 May 2020, 14:24 last edited by
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              The only people I know who have had the covid virus were here at tncr, none in real life. I don't believe any have died.

              I don't think I know anyone who has had the flu in the last few years.

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on 15 May 2020, 14:29 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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                My great grandmother died of Spanish flu in 1920 - does that count?

                I was only joking

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                • J jon-nyc
                  15 May 2020, 01:59

                  How many people do you know who died of the flu, ever?

                  For me just one in my whole life, and it happened in February. Flu A, confirmed.

                  I personally know two Covid deaths, both happened in the last six weeks.

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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on 15 May 2020, 14:39 last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc said in A more accurate way to compare flu vs COVID deaths:

                  How many people do you know who died of the flu, ever?

                  For me just one in my whole life, and it happened in February. Flu A, confirmed.

                  I personally know two Covid deaths, both happened in the last six weeks.

                  Probably in the neighborhood of 20-25 from influenza. I know nobody personally that has even tested positive outside of the forum. I do know OF several deaths from COVID-19, but I didn't know them personally. Friends of Friends kind of thing. All were older than 90.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 15 May 2020, 15:26 last edited by jon-nyc
                    #13

                    I know a lot of positives, but then I live in NY.

                    Deaths were one woman in her 60s and a man in his 70s.

                    Oddly the one flu death I know was a 44 year old female. Very close friend of my sister in FL.

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    • J jon-nyc
                      15 May 2020, 15:26

                      I know a lot of positives, but then I live in NY.

                      Deaths were one woman in her 60s and a man in his 70s.

                      Oddly the one flu death I know was a 44 year old female. Very close friend of my sister in FL.

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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on 15 May 2020, 18:55 last edited by
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                      @jon-nyc That's kind of odd, especially for one so young. I've known two younger people that died from influenza "(both immunocompromised), but quite a few elderly.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 15 May 2020, 21:29 last edited by
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                        This was only in Feb. A few weeks later we were wondering if there was any chance it could have been covid, though it was in Gainesville FL where no cases are known to have hit that early. But her husband confirmed she tested positive for influenza A.

                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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