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A more accurate way to compare flu vs COVID deaths

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    I question that on two bases:

    1. There's some evidence to indicate that COVID deaths are overestimated - to wit, anyone who dies that might be infected with SARS-CoV-2 is considered a "COVID death" even though the cause of death was unrelated. (Disclaimer: the protean effects of the virus might mitigate my comment)

    2. The numbers for influenza mortality are much higher. I know both say "confirmed," but the influenza mortality I've seen is an order of magnitude higher.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • CopperC Offline
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      Not even close

      CDC estimated Flu deaths by year

      2019 34K
      2018 61K
      2017 38K
      2016 23K
      2015 51K
      2014 38K
      2013 43K

      https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

      wapo, they will go with the hate Trump numbers every time

      And why bother?

      Everyone knows, COVID wins!

      This is like Nixon breaking into Watergate when there was no way he could lose.

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      • RainmanR Offline
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        I don't get it. With people locked up, wearing masks, social distancing (starting to hate that phrase), there should be a downturn in our typical flu for 2019-2020, right? Or does this indicate that in terms of a virus, not much helps and we're fooling ourselves (or being fooled by politicians and experts)?
        With everyone except a certain percentage being caged at home, breathing only when necessary, we should be at least at 2015-16 mortality, or better.
        I'm gonna want my money back pretty soon if all of these stats don't improve.

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        • George KG George K

          I question that on two bases:

          1. There's some evidence to indicate that COVID deaths are overestimated - to wit, anyone who dies that might be infected with SARS-CoV-2 is considered a "COVID death" even though the cause of death was unrelated. (Disclaimer: the protean effects of the virus might mitigate my comment)

          2. The numbers for influenza mortality are much higher. I know both say "confirmed," but the influenza mortality I've seen is an order of magnitude higher.

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          jon-nyc
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          #5

          @George-K said in A more accurate way to compare flu vs COVID deaths:

          I question that on two bases:

          1. There's some evidence to indicate that COVID deaths are overestimated - to wit, anyone who dies that might be infected with SARS-CoV-2 is considered a "COVID death" even though the cause of death was unrelated. (Disclaimer: the protean effects of the virus might mitigate my comment)

          2. The numbers for influenza mortality are much higher. I know both say "confirmed," but the influenza mortality I've seen is an order of magnitude higher.

          I think the balance of the evidence is that they’re understated. See that EMS guy’s report you posted.

          I agree with number two. Mik’s source is comparing confirmed deaths, but far fewer influenza deaths are confirmed, so the estimates are a better way to go.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            How many people do you know who died of the flu, ever?

            For me just one in my whole life, and it happened in February. Flu A, confirmed.

            I personally know two Covid deaths, both happened in the last six weeks.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                @Copper said in A more accurate way to compare flu vs COVID deaths:

                And all I could see of the wapo story was

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  How many people do you know who died of the flu, ever?

                  For me just one in my whole life, and it happened in February. Flu A, confirmed.

                  I personally know two Covid deaths, both happened in the last six weeks.

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                  @jon-nyc said in A more accurate way to compare flu vs COVID deaths:

                  How many people do you know who died of the flu, ever?

                  For me just one in my whole life, and it happened in February. Flu A, confirmed.

                  I personally know two Covid deaths, both happened in the last six weeks.

                  I know of a lot, but then I'm the guy doing the testing...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    The only people I know who have had the covid virus were here at tncr, none in real life. I don't believe any have died.

                    I don't think I know anyone who has had the flu in the last few years.

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                      Doctor Phibes
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                      My great grandmother died of Spanish flu in 1920 - does that count?

                      I was only joking

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        How many people do you know who died of the flu, ever?

                        For me just one in my whole life, and it happened in February. Flu A, confirmed.

                        I personally know two Covid deaths, both happened in the last six weeks.

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                        @jon-nyc said in A more accurate way to compare flu vs COVID deaths:

                        How many people do you know who died of the flu, ever?

                        For me just one in my whole life, and it happened in February. Flu A, confirmed.

                        I personally know two Covid deaths, both happened in the last six weeks.

                        Probably in the neighborhood of 20-25 from influenza. I know nobody personally that has even tested positive outside of the forum. I do know OF several deaths from COVID-19, but I didn't know them personally. Friends of Friends kind of thing. All were older than 90.

                        The Brad

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                          I know a lot of positives, but then I live in NY.

                          Deaths were one woman in her 60s and a man in his 70s.

                          Oddly the one flu death I know was a 44 year old female. Very close friend of my sister in FL.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            I know a lot of positives, but then I live in NY.

                            Deaths were one woman in her 60s and a man in his 70s.

                            Oddly the one flu death I know was a 44 year old female. Very close friend of my sister in FL.

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                            LuFins Dad
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                            @jon-nyc That's kind of odd, especially for one so young. I've known two younger people that died from influenza "(both immunocompromised), but quite a few elderly.

                            The Brad

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                              This was only in Feb. A few weeks later we were wondering if there was any chance it could have been covid, though it was in Gainesville FL where no cases are known to have hit that early. But her husband confirmed she tested positive for influenza A.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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