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Make the Unvaccinated Pay!

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  • AxtremusA Away
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    Axtremus
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    #6

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-health-insurance-cost-treatment/

    Insurance companies to require cost sharing from the unvaccinated for their COVID-19 treatments.

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-health-insurance-cost-treatment/

      Insurance companies to require cost sharing from the unvaccinated for their COVID-19 treatments.

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      LuFins Dad
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      #7

      @axtremus said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-health-insurance-cost-treatment/

      Insurance companies to require cost sharing from the unvaccinated for their COVID-19 treatments.

      Above and beyond what they require for overweight people receiving just about any treatment for any of the hundreds of conditions associated with that weight?

      The Brad

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        LuFins Dad
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        #8

        Are smokers also paying coshares on their treatments?

        The Brad

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          Are smokers also paying coshares on their treatments?

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          Loki
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          #9

          @lufins-dad said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

          Are smokers also paying coshares on their treatments?

          They pay via taxes on cigarettes. Bought a pack lately?

          Also study the money given to healthcare on tobacco settlements.

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          • L Loki

            @lufins-dad said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

            Are smokers also paying coshares on their treatments?

            They pay via taxes on cigarettes. Bought a pack lately?

            Also study the money given to healthcare on tobacco settlements.

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            LuFins Dad
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            #10

            @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

            @lufins-dad said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

            Are smokers also paying coshares on their treatments?

            They pay via taxes on cigarettes. Bought a pack lately?

            Also study the money given to healthcare on tobacco settlements.

            1. the taxes doesn’t go to healthcare…

            2. Great… Sue China the same way that the tobacco companies were sued.

            The Brad

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
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              #11

              We seem to be missing the fundamentals of insurance - shared risk.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                @lufins-dad said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                Are smokers also paying coshares on their treatments?

                They pay via taxes on cigarettes. Bought a pack lately?

                Also study the money given to healthcare on tobacco settlements.

                1. the taxes doesn’t go to healthcare…

                2. Great… Sue China the same way that the tobacco companies were sued.

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                Loki
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                #12

                @lufins-dad said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                @lufins-dad said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                Are smokers also paying coshares on their treatments?

                They pay via taxes on cigarettes. Bought a pack lately?

                Also study the money given to healthcare on tobacco settlements.

                1. the taxes doesn’t go to healthcare…

                2. Great… Sue China the same way that the tobacco companies were sued.

                Here you go

                https://www.lung.org/policy-advocacy/tobacco/tobacco-taxes

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                • MikM Mik

                  We seem to be missing the fundamentals of insurance - shared risk.

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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  #13

                  @mik said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                  We seem to be missing the fundamentals of insurance - shared risk.

                  Not at all - if you're under 25 or you have a car accident, your premium goes up.

                  Outside of healthcare, insurance companies frequently charge based at least partially on the level of risk exposure.

                  I was only joking

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                  • MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by Mik
                    #14

                    It's still shared risk adjusted. The principle remains the same.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • L Loki

                      @lufins-dad said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                      @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                      @lufins-dad said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                      Are smokers also paying coshares on their treatments?

                      They pay via taxes on cigarettes. Bought a pack lately?

                      Also study the money given to healthcare on tobacco settlements.

                      1. the taxes doesn’t go to healthcare…

                      2. Great… Sue China the same way that the tobacco companies were sued.

                      Here you go

                      https://www.lung.org/policy-advocacy/tobacco/tobacco-taxes

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                      LuFins Dad
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                      #15

                      @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                      @lufins-dad said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                      @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                      @lufins-dad said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                      Are smokers also paying coshares on their treatments?

                      They pay via taxes on cigarettes. Bought a pack lately?

                      Also study the money given to healthcare on tobacco settlements.

                      1. the taxes don’t go to healthcare…

                      2. Great… Sue China the same way that the tobacco companies were sued.

                      Here you go

                      https://www.lung.org/policy-advocacy/tobacco/tobacco-taxes

                      Ok, some of the Federal Taxes are applied to CHIP. They still aren't being used to address the healthcare costs directly related to smoking. And it's still irrelevant to the entire fucking conversation about insurance companies charging coshares for unvaccinated COVID illness costs...

                      The Brad

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        @mik said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                        We seem to be missing the fundamentals of insurance - shared risk.

                        Not at all - if you're under 25 or you have a car accident, your premium goes up.

                        Outside of healthcare, insurance companies frequently charge based at least partially on the level of risk exposure.

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                        LuFins Dad
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                        @doctor-phibes said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                        @mik said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                        We seem to be missing the fundamentals of insurance - shared risk.

                        Not at all - if you're under 25 or you have a car accident, your premium goes up.

                        Outside of healthcare, insurance companies frequently charge based at least partially on the level of risk exposure.

                        Which, as I've said, is perfectly understandable, and I encourage a higher premium (within reasonable limits compared to the actual expenses incurred) for the unvaccinated.

                        Now, the other question I have is how do they do this midstream? You can't just change the rules on these people on a policy that was annually renewed last February... You can implement it on the next policy renewal, but you shouldn't be able to change it like this in the middle of their plan. I would like to see a legal challenge...

                        The Brad

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                          Loki
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                          #17

                          Unvaccinated may pay more for insurance.

                          https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/coronavirus/health-insurance-may-soon-cost-more-for-the-unvaccinated

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                            Loki
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                            #18

                            Unvaccinated share in Covid cost?

                            https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-health-insurance-cost-treatment/

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              @doctor-phibes said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                              @mik said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                              We seem to be missing the fundamentals of insurance - shared risk.

                              Not at all - if you're under 25 or you have a car accident, your premium goes up.

                              Outside of healthcare, insurance companies frequently charge based at least partially on the level of risk exposure.

                              Which, as I've said, is perfectly understandable, and I encourage a higher premium (within reasonable limits compared to the actual expenses incurred) for the unvaccinated.

                              Now, the other question I have is how do they do this midstream? You can't just change the rules on these people on a policy that was annually renewed last February... You can implement it on the next policy renewal, but you shouldn't be able to change it like this in the middle of their plan. I would like to see a legal challenge...

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                              Copper
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                              @lufins-dad said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                              You can't just change the rules on these people on a policy that was annually renewed

                              Read the fine print

                              I had this done on a life insurance policy I own

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                              • L Loki

                                Unvaccinated share in Covid cost?

                                https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-health-insurance-cost-treatment/

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                                LuFins Dad
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                                @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                Unvaccinated share in Covid cost?

                                https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-health-insurance-cost-treatment/

                                Wow. Please read your articles instead of picking out headlines that you think match your jihad to punish the unvaccinated.

                                1. They are NOT starting to charge coshares, they are starting to stop waiving the co-shares. There is a difference…

                                2. They are not differentiating between vaccinated and unvaccinated. All patients are going to pay…

                                3. The line about how insurance companies are swimming in profits right now… Wow on so many levels.

                                The Brad

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                  Unvaccinated share in Covid cost?

                                  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-health-insurance-cost-treatment/

                                  Wow. Please read your articles instead of picking out headlines that you think match your jihad to punish the unvaccinated.

                                  1. They are NOT starting to charge coshares, they are starting to stop waiving the co-shares. There is a difference…

                                  2. They are not differentiating between vaccinated and unvaccinated. All patients are going to pay…

                                  3. The line about how insurance companies are swimming in profits right now… Wow on so many levels.

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                                  Loki
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                                  #21

                                  @lufins-dad said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                  @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                  Unvaccinated share in Covid cost?

                                  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-health-insurance-cost-treatment/

                                  Wow. Please read your articles instead of picking out headlines that you think match your jihad to punish the unvaccinated.

                                  1. They are NOT starting to charge coshares, they are starting to stop waiving the co-shares. There is a difference…

                                  2. They are not differentiating between vaccinated and unvaccinated. All patients are going to pay…

                                  3. The line about how insurance companies are swimming in profits right now… Wow on so many levels.

                                  Employers contemplating following Delta’s lead.

                                  https://news.bloomberglaw.com/employee-benefits/sky-could-be-the-limit-for-surcharges-on-unvaccinated-workers

                                  Let’s be honest, the gig is up for the unvaccinated. I was crucified for predicting it weeks ago and told I was full of it. Now it’s in full stride.a. And it’s not me, it’s reality…let’s be clear on that.

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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    What gig do you think is up? I was the first person on here to call for increasing their insurance premiums. I know quite a few antivaxxers, the insurance thing isn’t going to affect them one way or another. This isn’t going to get a needle into very many arms, and your enjoyment over this is a little disturbing and unproductive.

                                    The Brad

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                                      @lufins-dad said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                      @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                      Unvaccinated share in Covid cost?

                                      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-health-insurance-cost-treatment/

                                      Wow. Please read your articles instead of picking out headlines that you think match your jihad to punish the unvaccinated.

                                      1. They are NOT starting to charge coshares, they are starting to stop waiving the co-shares. There is a difference…

                                      2. They are not differentiating between vaccinated and unvaccinated. All patients are going to pay…

                                      3. The line about how insurance companies are swimming in profits right now… Wow on so many levels.

                                      Employers contemplating following Delta’s lead.

                                      https://news.bloomberglaw.com/employee-benefits/sky-could-be-the-limit-for-surcharges-on-unvaccinated-workers

                                      Let’s be honest, the gig is up for the unvaccinated. I was crucified for predicting it weeks ago and told I was full of it. Now it’s in full stride.a. And it’s not me, it’s reality…let’s be clear on that.

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                                      Horace
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                                      @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                      Let’s be honest, the gig is up for the unvaccinated. I was crucified for predicting it weeks ago and told I was full of it. Now it’s in full stride.a. And it’s not me, it’s reality…let’s be clear on that.

                                      You are rarely clear about the reality of what anybody thinks or writes, when you're feeling dramatic. But I would be curious to see links to these posts where you felt you were being "crucified for predicting that the gig was up for the unvaccinated".

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                        Let’s be honest, the gig is up for the unvaccinated. I was crucified for predicting it weeks ago and told I was full of it. Now it’s in full stride.a. And it’s not me, it’s reality…let’s be clear on that.

                                        You are rarely clear about the reality of what anybody thinks or writes, when you're feeling dramatic. But I would be curious to see links to these posts where you felt you were being "crucified for predicting that the gig was up for the unvaccinated".

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                                        Loki
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                                        @horace said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                        @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                        Let’s be honest, the gig is up for the unvaccinated. I was crucified for predicting it weeks ago and told I was full of it. Now it’s in full stride.a. And it’s not me, it’s reality…let’s be clear on that.

                                        You are rarely clear about the reality of what anybody thinks or writes, when you're feeling dramatic. But I would be curious to see links to these posts where you felt you were being "crucified for predicting that the gig was up for the unvaccinated".

                                        I keep forgetting that you don’t do well reading rhetoric just delivering it. LOL

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                                        • L Loki

                                          @horace said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                          @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                          Let’s be honest, the gig is up for the unvaccinated. I was crucified for predicting it weeks ago and told I was full of it. Now it’s in full stride.a. And it’s not me, it’s reality…let’s be clear on that.

                                          You are rarely clear about the reality of what anybody thinks or writes, when you're feeling dramatic. But I would be curious to see links to these posts where you felt you were being "crucified for predicting that the gig was up for the unvaccinated".

                                          I keep forgetting that you don’t do well reading rhetoric just delivering it. LOL

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                                          Horace
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                                          @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                          @horace said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                          @loki said in Make the Unvaccinated Pay!:

                                          Let’s be honest, the gig is up for the unvaccinated. I was crucified for predicting it weeks ago and told I was full of it. Now it’s in full stride.a. And it’s not me, it’s reality…let’s be clear on that.

                                          You are rarely clear about the reality of what anybody thinks or writes, when you're feeling dramatic. But I would be curious to see links to these posts where you felt you were being "crucified for predicting that the gig was up for the unvaccinated".

                                          I keep forgetting that you don’t do well reading rhetoric just delivering it. LOL

                                          So false claims about what people post here, and crucifixion complexes, are your “rhetoric”? Ok then.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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