"Flagging the problematic"

Doctor Phibes

Yeah, he's a moronic twat, who is almost certainly causing actual damage to some parts of the population.

But how do we best deal with this?

Aqua Letifer

@doctor-phibes said in "Flagging the problematic":

Yeah, he's a moronic twat, who is almost certainly causing actual damage to some parts of the population.

But how do we best deal with this?

With many mistakes. No way around that.

Catseye3

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

conspiring with media to craft a message is one thing, conspiring with platforms to remove contradictory messages is another.

But how would you know the difference if messages were removed beforehand?

LuFins Dad

@catseye3 said in "Flagging the problematic":

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

conspiring with media to craft a message is one thing, conspiring with platforms to remove contradictory messages is another.

But how would you know the difference if messages were removed beforehand?

So if you don’t know then it’s okay?

LuFins Dad

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

@aqua-letifer batshit? Like the virus escaped from the lab? That’s one of the batshit (kind of appropriate) contradictory ideas that has been removed.

How about natural immunity? Test after test has shown that people that have had the virus have as good of an immune response or better than those with the vaccines, yet those posts have been flagged recently. Info on various treatments that are still being tested get’s flagged. Let’s not even talk about the arguments over anti-malarials. There are credible tests and scientists disputing one another on this, but one side doesn’t match the message so they are batshit crazy…

Fucking shit. Yes that's exactly what I had in mind when I said batshit crazy. Thank you for filling in the blanks so accurately.

You know if you want to talk to a proxy for liberal politics be my guest but that's not me, so I'll let you carry on, you're doing fine by yourself.

An acquaintance of mine had his sharing privileges removed yesterday for trying to share this video. It’s kind of stupid, but does not justify administrative sanction -
Link to video

That's a fine story and I enjoyed it.

JP Spears is the same motherfucker who claimed nearly everyone who was dying of COVID had insufficient Vitamin D. Oh, and he was also a speaker at this bullshit. From the website:

Learn to legally protect yourself from forced vaccinations, mask mandates, and other forms of medical tyranny.

From his video on "How to Be Mind-Controlled":

I want to be heavily vaccinated so I can be protected from the diseases that I’ve been told to be extremely afraid of.

Please, do go on about innocent ol' JP and how is videos are just funny and silly and you live in a fascist demon-rat autocracy, it's hilarious.

Great! So he’s a big fat liar and actually hits me as skeevy, and is definitely not someone I would enjoy having a beer with. Does that justify my friend being sanctioned on platform AND having The Ministry of Truth making that determination?

Doctor Phibes

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

@doctor-phibes said in "Flagging the problematic":

Yeah, he's a moronic twat, who is almost certainly causing actual damage to some parts of the population.

But how do we best deal with this?

With many mistakes. No way around that.

The weird thing is he sells himself as a 'satirical life coach', who aims to be funny and give serious advice at the same time.

I don't know which is more horrifying, the thought that there are actually people out there who find him funny, or people who actually listen to his opinions as though they're valid.

Catseye3

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

With many mistakes. No way around that.

This is off the top of my head, but: How about if the social media were to put at the bottom of every post in small print something to the effect of, 'Facebook supports free and uncensored messaging, but viewers should be advised that they are often reading opinions and not fact. We believe it is vital that viewers educate themselves thoroughly as to accuracy before forming any opinion based on content.'

Or something like that. Maybe avoid long complicated words like 'thoroughly'.

Such a message could appear at the foot of every message, including the most innocuous ones, like how to control tomato fungus.

Not that tomato fungus is innocuous, darling gardeners. Even if it existed.

Jolly

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

@aqua-letifer batshit? Like the virus escaped from the lab? That’s one of the batshit (kind of appropriate) contradictory ideas that has been removed.

How about natural immunity? Test after test has shown that people that have had the virus have as good of an immune response or better than those with the vaccines, yet those posts have been flagged recently. Info on various treatments that are still being tested get’s flagged. Let’s not even talk about the arguments over anti-malarials. There are credible tests and scientists disputing one another on this, but one side doesn’t match the message so they are batshit crazy…

Fucking shit. Yes that's exactly what I had in mind when I said batshit crazy. Thank you for filling in the blanks so accurately.

You know if you want to talk to a proxy for liberal politics be my guest but that's not me, so I'll let you carry on, you're doing fine by yourself.

An acquaintance of mine had his sharing privileges removed yesterday for trying to share this video. It’s kind of stupid, but does not justify administrative sanction -
Link to video

That's a fine story and I enjoyed it.

JP Spears is the same motherfucker who claimed nearly everyone who was dying of COVID had insufficient Vitamin D. Oh, and he was also a speaker at this bullshit. From the website:

Learn to legally protect yourself from forced vaccinations, mask mandates, and other forms of medical tyranny.

From his video on "How to Be Mind-Controlled":

I want to be heavily vaccinated so I can be protected from the diseases that I’ve been told to be extremely afraid of.

Please, do go on about innocent ol' JP and how is videos are just funny and silly and you live in a fascist demon-rat autocracy, it's hilarious.

Great! So he’s a big fat liar and actually hits me as skeevy, and is definitely not someone I would enjoy having a beer with. Does that justify my friend being sanctioned on platform AND having The Ministry of Truth making that determination?

Of course it does!

Now, turn it around and think of Faceypage as run by a very conservative bunch. Anything touting mandatory vaccination would be removed. Anything advocating any progressive cause would be remived and the poster put in Faceypage "jail".

See how it works? But many do not, because they simply do not believe in Free Speech...For an open conversation, you have to have all viewpoints. Even some you don't like. Anything else is just varying degrees of tyranny...

Aqua Letifer

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

Great! So he’s a big fat liar and actually hits me as skeevy, and is definitely not someone I would enjoy having a beer with. Does that justify my friend being sanctioned on platform AND having The Ministry of Truth making that determination?

First of all:
Facebook has about 58,000 employees. That’s one tenth of the number of new users that create profiles on the platform every 24 hours. For every 1 Facebook employee, there are 6 thousand photos alone that get posted every single day.

When you go to an ATM machine, do you think there's a little guy in the box handling the transaction? Your friend got suspended by an algorithm. Which means it's going to screw up quite a lot.

Second:
The principal question is whether or not false information about the pandemic should be censored. If you don't think so, then sit on your hands I guess because it's already happening, and no that isn't in any way unprecedented.

If you're unhappy with the way it's being handled, join the club. But you tell me how you regulate hundreds of millions of posts a day with a staff of that size without resorting to automation.

Jolly

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

Great! So he’s a big fat liar and actually hits me as skeevy, and is definitely not someone I would enjoy having a beer with. Does that justify my friend being sanctioned on platform AND having The Ministry of Truth making that determination?

First of all:
Facebook has about 58,000 employees. That’s one tenth of the number of new users that create profiles on the platform every 24 hours. For every 1 Facebook employee, there are 6 thousand photos alone that get posted every single day.

When you go to an ATM machine, do you think there's a little guy in the box handling the transaction? Your friend got suspended by an algorithm. Which means it's going to screw up quite a lot.

Second:
The principal question is whether or not false information about the pandemic should be censored. If you don't think so, then sit on your hands I guess because it's already happening, and no that isn't in any way unprecedented.

If you're unhappy with the way it's being handled, join the club. But you tell me how you regulate hundreds of millions of posts a day with a staff of that size without resorting to automation.

Simple. You don't.

Other than some really egregious stuff (child pornography, etc.), leave it alone.

Aqua Letifer

@jolly said in "Flagging the problematic":

Simple. You don't.
Other than some really egregious stuff (child pornography, etc.), leave it alone.

I'm not so sure, because there is no Marketplace of Ideas on Facebook. The very nature of the platform is echo chambers. That, and many folks from the casino gaming industry were hired by these platforms to help make them more addictive. That's how you get both Qanon and ACAB—social media is directly responsible.

I'm with Xenon; the platforms themselves need to be seriously regulated.

Doctor Phibes

@jolly said in "Flagging the problematic":

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

Great! So he’s a big fat liar and actually hits me as skeevy, and is definitely not someone I would enjoy having a beer with. Does that justify my friend being sanctioned on platform AND having The Ministry of Truth making that determination?

First of all:
Facebook has about 58,000 employees. That’s one tenth of the number of new users that create profiles on the platform every 24 hours. For every 1 Facebook employee, there are 6 thousand photos alone that get posted every single day.

When you go to an ATM machine, do you think there's a little guy in the box handling the transaction? Your friend got suspended by an algorithm. Which means it's going to screw up quite a lot.

Second:
The principal question is whether or not false information about the pandemic should be censored. If you don't think so, then sit on your hands I guess because it's already happening, and no that isn't in any way unprecedented.

If you're unhappy with the way it's being handled, join the club. But you tell me how you regulate hundreds of millions of posts a day with a staff of that size without resorting to automation.

Simple. You don't.

Other than some really egregious stuff (child pornography, etc.), leave it alone.

Well, that's how you'd run the company. Mark Zuckerberg feels differently, as is his right, since it's his company.

Personally, I don't want to have to look at a load of toxic shit on Facebook. Lots of people, many of them non-Facebook users, feel differently. I don't agree with massive, biased censorship, but I also don't want to see a lot of fucking morons sharing their cretinous world view. I go there to stay in touch with my friends and family.

Catseye3

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

Facebook has about 58,000 employees. That’s one tenth of the number of new users that create profiles on the platform every 24 hours. For every 1 Facebook employee, there are 6 thousand photos alone that get posted every single day.

You've argued against your own position. How on earth can you "seriously regulate" such a thing?

In the end (and without thinking about it a whole lot) I have to side with Jolly. You don't, because you can't.

Maybe keep in mind that this is Biden -- that is, politicians -- talking. Politicians, as we know, will float all kinds of shit just to suss the public's reaction, without the intention of following through. And even if they did have the intention, do you seriously think they have the capacity to do what they're saying?

As much as I side with Phibes on this, I instinctively oppose censorship. The social media are a festering monster, but we are apparently stuck with it.

LuFins Dad

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

Great! So he’s a big fat liar and actually hits me as skeevy, and is definitely not someone I would enjoy having a beer with. Does that justify my friend being sanctioned on platform AND having The Ministry of Truth making that determination?

First of all:
Facebook has about 58,000 employees. That’s one tenth of the number of new users that create profiles on the platform every 24 hours. For every 1 Facebook employee, there are 6 thousand photos alone that get posted every single day.

When you go to an ATM machine, do you think there's a little guy in the box handling the transaction? Your friend got suspended by an algorithm. Which means it's going to screw up quite a lot.

Second:
The principal question is whether or not false information about the pandemic should be censored. If you don't think so, then sit on your hands I guess because it's already happening, and no that isn't in any way unprecedented.

If you're unhappy with the way it's being handled, join the club. But you tell me how you regulate hundreds of millions of posts a day with a staff of that size without resorting to automation.

To point number one, good news! The Biden Administration is helping! That’s what takes this whole thing from a level 15 on my Give-a-Shit Meter to a 200. This is no longer Facebook flagging posts, it’s essentially the US Government. That doesn’t make you stand up and pay attention?

Aqua Letifer

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

To point number one, good news! The Biden Administration is helping! That’s what takes this whole thing from a level 15 on my Give-a-Shit Meter to a 200. This is no longer Facebook flagging posts, it’s essentially the US Government. That doesn’t make you stand up and pay attention?

Absolutely not.

Media and government have coordinated many times in the past. This isn't new.
The government has and continues to do far, far worse when it comes to manipulating public information, censorship, and destroying personal privacy. In my opinion, you're running around pointing at a dumpster fire in Jonestown.

Doctor Phibes

@catseye3 said in "Flagging the problematic":

As much as I side with Phibes on this, I instinctively oppose censorship. The social media are a festering monster, but we are apparently stuck with it.

If they completely deregulate Facebook, I will stop using it, because it will become a cesspool.

I would suggest that I'm more of a typical FB user than anybody else in this thread, so what does that tell you about what FB should do? Should they go after all the libertarians and defenders of freedom who hardly ever use the website anyway, or should they stick with the boring people who like to talk with their families and share pictures of cats?

Essentially, we're in danger of listening to a bunch of people who never do something arguing about how it should be done.

Catseye3

@doctor-phibes said in "Flagging the problematic":

If they completely deregulate Facebook, I will stop using it, because it will become a cesspool.

Remember that old meme, what if they gave a war and nobody came?

The truly horrifying aspect of social media is that their influence can never be undone. They could go dark tomorrow, but the moronic element, which has now tasted the power of being heard and responded to, no longer confined by their fear of appearing stupid, will not do without. Somehow the whole megilla will rise again. And again and again, world without end.

Jolly

@doctor-phibes said in "Flagging the problematic":

@jolly said in "Flagging the problematic":

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

Great! So he’s a big fat liar and actually hits me as skeevy, and is definitely not someone I would enjoy having a beer with. Does that justify my friend being sanctioned on platform AND having The Ministry of Truth making that determination?

First of all:
Facebook has about 58,000 employees. That’s one tenth of the number of new users that create profiles on the platform every 24 hours. For every 1 Facebook employee, there are 6 thousand photos alone that get posted every single day.

When you go to an ATM machine, do you think there's a little guy in the box handling the transaction? Your friend got suspended by an algorithm. Which means it's going to screw up quite a lot.

Second:
The principal question is whether or not false information about the pandemic should be censored. If you don't think so, then sit on your hands I guess because it's already happening, and no that isn't in any way unprecedented.

If you're unhappy with the way it's being handled, join the club. But you tell me how you regulate hundreds of millions of posts a day with a staff of that size without resorting to automation.

Simple. You don't.

Other than some really egregious stuff (child pornography, etc.), leave it alone.

Well, that's how you'd run the company. Mark Zuckerberg feels differently, as is his right, since it's his company.

Personally, I don't want to have to look at a load of toxic shit on Facebook. Lots of people, many of them non-Facebook users, feel differently. I don't agree with massive, biased censorship, but I also don't want to see a lot of fucking morons sharing their cretinous world view. I go there to stay in touch with my friends and family.

Yes, but can't you choose who to friend or not? If you don't like somebody's views, don't let them in you "front door".

Jolly

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

To point number one, good news! The Biden Administration is helping! That’s what takes this whole thing from a level 15 on my Give-a-Shit Meter to a 200. This is no longer Facebook flagging posts, it’s essentially the US Government. That doesn’t make you stand up and pay attention?

Absolutely not.

Media and government have coordinated many times in the past. This isn't new.

The government has and continues to do far, far worse when it comes to manipulating public information, censorship, and destroying personal privacy. In my opinion, you're running around pointing at a dumpster fire in Jonestown.

Therefore, do nothing?

Doctor Phibes

@jolly said in "Flagging the problematic":

@doctor-phibes said in "Flagging the problematic":

@jolly said in "Flagging the problematic":

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

Great! So he’s a big fat liar and actually hits me as skeevy, and is definitely not someone I would enjoy having a beer with. Does that justify my friend being sanctioned on platform AND having The Ministry of Truth making that determination?

First of all:
Facebook has about 58,000 employees. That’s one tenth of the number of new users that create profiles on the platform every 24 hours. For every 1 Facebook employee, there are 6 thousand photos alone that get posted every single day.

When you go to an ATM machine, do you think there's a little guy in the box handling the transaction? Your friend got suspended by an algorithm. Which means it's going to screw up quite a lot.

Second:
The principal question is whether or not false information about the pandemic should be censored. If you don't think so, then sit on your hands I guess because it's already happening, and no that isn't in any way unprecedented.

If you're unhappy with the way it's being handled, join the club. But you tell me how you regulate hundreds of millions of posts a day with a staff of that size without resorting to automation.

Simple. You don't.

Other than some really egregious stuff (child pornography, etc.), leave it alone.

Well, that's how you'd run the company. Mark Zuckerberg feels differently, as is his right, since it's his company.

Personally, I don't want to have to look at a load of toxic shit on Facebook. Lots of people, many of them non-Facebook users, feel differently. I don't agree with massive, biased censorship, but I also don't want to see a lot of fucking morons sharing their cretinous world view. I go there to stay in touch with my friends and family.

Yes, but can't you choose who to friend or not? If you don't like somebody's views, don't let them in you "front door".

The problem is it tends to spread, covering everything. Friends of friends, and what-not. And if you join a group, that gets dragged in. There's a reason they call it viral.

I don't want to have to worry about it.

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