The Jan 6 “nothing burger”
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@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.
"Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.
Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.
We all live in a bubble, Jolly.
@doctor-phibes said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@aqua-letifer said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@jolly said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Folks, do you realize how often January 6th comes up in the conversation of normal Americans?
The normies I talk to bring it up fairly regularly. Not as a harrowing flashback or anything, but as a good go-to for joke fodder.
"Hell yeah the sale was 70% off! I ran in there faster than a Trumper storming the Capitol," that sorta thing.
Yeah, but you live in The Bubble.
We all live in a bubble, Jolly.
Yeah, but some of them are created by your own farts.
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I'm unconvinced that Louisiana is any more 'normal America' than Massachusetts.
This talk of 'Real America' is a bit silly. Having grown up in an often-overlooked Lancashire mill-town, it's quite funny to find myself on the other side of the great media-divide.
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I'm unconvinced that Louisiana is any more 'normal America' than Massachusetts.
This talk of 'Real America' is a bit silly. Having grown up in an often-overlooked Lancashire mill-town, it's quite funny to find myself on the other side of the great media-divide.
@doctor-phibes said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I'm unconvinced that Louisiana is any more 'normal America' than Massachusetts.
Agree. Most of my neighbors are Trumpists.
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I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.
Hell, I'll even ignore the request for the cop's name. Just tell me if policy was followed.
In a med-mal lawsuit, one of the first questions asked is, "Doctor, what are your department's policies for...."
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.
Hell, I'll even ignore the request for the cop's name. Just tell me if policy was followed.
In a med-mal lawsuit, one of the first questions asked is, "Doctor, what are your department's policies for...."
@george-k said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.
Is the standard different from other police forces, because we’ve seen plenty of examples now of what police apparently say is enough. In fact that debate is the root of so many problems we are facing.
But maybe to your point why no uproar now?
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I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.
Hell, I'll even ignore the request for the cop's name. Just tell me if policy was followed.
In a med-mal lawsuit, one of the first questions asked is, "Doctor, what are your department's policies for...."
@george-k said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.
Hell, I'll even ignore the request for the cop's name. Just tell me if policy was followed.
In a med-mal lawsuit, one of the first questions asked is, "Doctor, what are your department's policies for...."
The hot rumor is that the shooter was one of Pence's Secret Service detail...
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@george-k said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I'm still waiting for the standards and procedures for use of deadly force by the Capitol Police.
Is the standard different from other police forces, because we’ve seen plenty of examples now of what police apparently say is enough. In fact that debate is the root of so many problems we are facing.
But maybe to your point why no uproar now?
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@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Well worth the watch if you are still conflicted that something really terrible happened.
If anyone has a different account to suggest this is an exaggeration with different video I promise I will watch.
40 minutes is a long time. Anything that locking the doors of the Capitol wouldn't have fixed?
If we live in a country in which something "terrible" can happen to the very seat of government because a mob chooses to enter unlocked doors of a building, then we need better security, don't you think?
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Anything that locking the doors of the Capitol wouldn't have fixed?
If we live in a country in which something "terrible" can happen to the very seat of government because a mob chooses to enter unlocked doors of a building, then we need better security, don't you think?
Could have said the same thing about 9/11 and cockpit dooors.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Anything that locking the doors of the Capitol wouldn't have fixed?
If we live in a country in which something "terrible" can happen to the very seat of government because a mob chooses to enter unlocked doors of a building, then we need better security, don't you think?
Could have said the same thing about 9/11 and cockpit dooors.
@jon-nyc said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Anything that locking the doors of the Capitol wouldn't have fixed?
If we live in a country in which something "terrible" can happen to the very seat of government because a mob chooses to enter unlocked doors of a building, then we need better security, don't you think?
Could have said the same thing about 9/11 and cockpit dooors.
You'll find "all they had to do was lock the cockpit doors" in at least a couple posts of mine after Jan 6.
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I think that when the producers weren’t getting the surge of people they wanted, they had the security guys open the doors
@copper said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I think that when the producers weren’t getting the surge of people they wanted, they had the security guys open the doors
Apparently there was some mixture of being ushered through open doors by security, and a mob storming through defenses prepared by security experts who had honed their craft against insurrectionists for 60 years. But hadn’t yet developed their art to the point where they don’t usher insurrectionists in.
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@copper said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I think that when the producers weren’t getting the surge of people they wanted, they had the security guys open the doors
Apparently there was some mixture of being ushered through open doors by security, and a mob storming through defenses prepared by security experts who had honed their craft against insurrectionists for 60 years. But hadn’t yet developed their art to the point where they don’t usher insurrectionists in.
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@copper said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I think that when the producers weren’t getting the surge of people they wanted, they had the security guys open the doors
Apparently there was some mixture of being ushered through open doors by security, and a mob storming through defenses prepared by security experts who had honed their craft against insurrectionists for 60 years. But hadn’t yet developed their art to the point where they don’t usher insurrectionists in.
I know that’s sarcasm on your part but how do you feel about millions of people believing what you said?
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@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@copper said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I think that when the producers weren’t getting the surge of people they wanted, they had the security guys open the doors
Apparently there was some mixture of being ushered through open doors by security, and a mob storming through defenses prepared by security experts who had honed their craft against insurrectionists for 60 years. But hadn’t yet developed their art to the point where they don’t usher insurrectionists in.
I know that’s sarcasm on your part but how do you feel about millions of people believing what you said?
@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@copper said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I think that when the producers weren’t getting the surge of people they wanted, they had the security guys open the doors
Apparently there was some mixture of being ushered through open doors by security, and a mob storming through defenses prepared by security experts who had honed their craft against insurrectionists for 60 years. But hadn’t yet developed their art to the point where they don’t usher insurrectionists in.
I know that’s sarcasm on your part but how do you feel about millions of people believing what you said?
Believing what part of what I said? The part about the mob circumventing security measures honed by 60 years of experience in mob defense, came from you. I think the notion that this mob overcame any significant resistance is ridiculous, but you continue to present your descriptions as if they are ground truth fact, the denial of which a litmus test for insanity.
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For me, it is a very sad affair. This was a mob action. This mob was heterogenous, some peaceful, some insurrectionist, some disturbed - still most of them felt they were doing some patriotic. If the election were "stolen," then would seem reasonable for patriots to rise up and restore the appropriate leadership.
What would have happened if they had gotten to Pence, Pelosi or Osorio might be frightening. Mobs, regardless of political persuasion, are not the best source of reasoned action.
Police understand that a bit better than pacifists, politicians, or most internet commentators.
My sense is that the police and some in the leadership responsible for security were concerned that an overly aggressive security presence would draw criticism. They had been criticized as being overly zealous in removing the crowd in front of the church. Some of these people may have been sensitive to that - or even more so if appointed by the President.
As for an investigation, if we could spend years and tens of millions of dollars investigating the Clintons for things such as Christmas card mailings, Whitewater, lies in a civil court matter, Benghazi, etc., the suggestion that this be considered does not seem out of bounds with past experience. If this had happened on Obama's watch, it is not inconceivable that the GOP House and Senate might have considered doing so.
What is incredibly sad, is that these patriots (even if misguided, misinformed or misled) will be irrevocably harmed for their actions. This political game that is being played is getting ugly.
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Yeah, mobs suck. I wish we could all agree with that, but the fact is, the left relies on mobs to express their political outrage. When right-affiliated mobs go mobbing, on the other hand, we're all in agreement that it's a bad idea.
Education is extremely important.
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@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@copper said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I think that when the producers weren’t getting the surge of people they wanted, they had the security guys open the doors
Apparently there was some mixture of being ushered through open doors by security, and a mob storming through defenses prepared by security experts who had honed their craft against insurrectionists for 60 years. But hadn’t yet developed their art to the point where they don’t usher insurrectionists in.
I know that’s sarcasm on your part but how do you feel about millions of people believing what you said?
Believing what part of what I said? The part about the mob circumventing security measures honed by 60 years of experience in mob defense, came from you. I think the notion that this mob overcame any significant resistance is ridiculous, but you continue to present your descriptions as if they are ground truth fact, the denial of which a litmus test for insanity.
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@copper said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I think that when the producers weren’t getting the surge of people they wanted, they had the security guys open the doors
Apparently there was some mixture of being ushered through open doors by security, and a mob storming through defenses prepared by security experts who had honed their craft against insurrectionists for 60 years. But hadn’t yet developed their art to the point where they don’t usher insurrectionists in.
I know that’s sarcasm on your part but how do you feel about millions of people believing what you said?
Believing what part of what I said? The part about the mob circumventing security measures honed by 60 years of experience against mob defense, came from you. I think the notion that this mob overcame any significant resistance is ridiculous, but you continue to present your descriptions as if they are ground truth fact, the denial of which a litmus test for insanity.
I agree that we need to let the legal system decide the guilt or innocence of people but as they say you are the average of your five closest friends and if all my friends looked at the videos and thought they were innocent I would be in rough shape.
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@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@copper said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I think that when the producers weren’t getting the surge of people they wanted, they had the security guys open the doors
Apparently there was some mixture of being ushered through open doors by security, and a mob storming through defenses prepared by security experts who had honed their craft against insurrectionists for 60 years. But hadn’t yet developed their art to the point where they don’t usher insurrectionists in.
I know that’s sarcasm on your part but how do you feel about millions of people believing what you said?
Believing what part of what I said? The part about the mob circumventing security measures honed by 60 years of experience against mob defense, came from you. I think the notion that this mob overcame any significant resistance is ridiculous, but you continue to present your descriptions as if they are ground truth fact, the denial of which a litmus test for insanity.
I agree that we need to let the legal system decide the guilt or innocence of people but as they say you are the average of your five closest friends and if all my friends looked at the videos and thought they were innocent I would be in rough shape.
@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@loki said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@copper said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
I think that when the producers weren’t getting the surge of people they wanted, they had the security guys open the doors
Apparently there was some mixture of being ushered through open doors by security, and a mob storming through defenses prepared by security experts who had honed their craft against insurrectionists for 60 years. But hadn’t yet developed their art to the point where they don’t usher insurrectionists in.
I know that’s sarcasm on your part but how do you feel about millions of people believing what you said?
Believing what part of what I said? The part about the mob circumventing security measures honed by 60 years of experience against mob defense, came from you. I think the notion that this mob overcame any significant resistance is ridiculous, but you continue to present your descriptions as if they are ground truth fact, the denial of which a litmus test for insanity.
I agree that we need to let the legal system decide the guilt or innocence of people but as they say you are the average of your five closest friends and if all my friends looked at the videos and thought they were innocent I would be in rough shape.
I'm sure there's footage of imbeciles illegally own-goaling in the Capitol. Personally, I have hundreds of friends, and to narrow it down to the five closest would hurt the feelings of many, so I won't. But none of my hundreds of friends are of the opinion that Capitol invaders shouldn't be punished.
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For me, it is a very sad affair. This was a mob action. This mob was heterogenous, some peaceful, some insurrectionist, some disturbed - still most of them felt they were doing some patriotic. If the election were "stolen," then would seem reasonable for patriots to rise up and restore the appropriate leadership.
What would have happened if they had gotten to Pence, Pelosi or Osorio might be frightening. Mobs, regardless of political persuasion, are not the best source of reasoned action.
Police understand that a bit better than pacifists, politicians, or most internet commentators.
My sense is that the police and some in the leadership responsible for security were concerned that an overly aggressive security presence would draw criticism. They had been criticized as being overly zealous in removing the crowd in front of the church. Some of these people may have been sensitive to that - or even more so if appointed by the President.
As for an investigation, if we could spend years and tens of millions of dollars investigating the Clintons for things such as Christmas card mailings, Whitewater, lies in a civil court matter, Benghazi, etc., the suggestion that this be considered does not seem out of bounds with past experience. If this had happened on Obama's watch, it is not inconceivable that the GOP House and Senate might have considered doing so.
What is incredibly sad, is that these patriots (even if misguided, misinformed or misled) will be irrevocably harmed for their actions. This political game that is being played is getting ugly.
@kluurs said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
For me, it is a very sad affair. This was a mob action. This mob was heterogenous, some peaceful, some insurrectionist, some disturbed - still most of them felt they were doing some patriotic. If the election were "stolen," then would seem reasonable for patriots to rise up and restore the appropriate leadership.
What would have happened if they had gotten to Pence, Pelosi or Osorio might be frightening. Mobs, regardless of political persuasion, are not the best source of reasoned action.
Police understand that a bit better than pacifists, politicians, or most internet commentators.
My sense is that the police and some in the leadership responsible for security were concerned that an overly aggressive security presence would draw criticism. They had been criticized as being overly zealous in removing the crowd in front of the church. Some of these people may have been sensitive to that - or even more so if appointed by the President.
As for an investigation, if we could spend years and tens of millions of dollars investigating the Clintons for things such as Christmas card mailings, Whitewater, lies in a civil court matter, Benghazi, etc., the suggestion that this be considered does not seem out of bounds with past experience. If this had happened on Obama's watch, it is not inconceivable that the GOP House and Senate might have considered doing so.
What is incredibly sad, is that these patriots (even if misguided, misinformed or misled) will be irrevocably harmed for their actions. This political game that is being played is getting ugly.
It's going to get much uglier...
