Insurrection
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@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
Sure, and anybody who believes and propagates the fictitious BLM narrative that incited violent mobs to take over neighborhoods, should take some responsibility for that, too.
Trump did a bit more than just believe and propogate. He invented the narrative in the first place. He went on about it for months, he actually prepared the ground prior to the election. He presumably paid other people who work for him do the same, and he organized a protest. He then told a crowd to march on the Capitol.
He didn't just make a few posts online - he was central to the motivation behind the conspiracy theory.
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You may be mistaking my not getting hysterical about Jan 6 with trying to minimize Trump’s rhetoric which allowed for it. I’m in the comfortable position of never having bought or propagated either narrative in question. The election theft not the BLM narrative.
Let’s be honest. Election theft is not a new concept. It’s been a feature of most elections since Bush v Gore and was also featured with Nixon and maybe even Truman v Dewey.
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@loki said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
Sure, and anybody who believes and propagates the fictitious BLM narrative that incited violent mobs to take over neighborhoods, should take some responsibility for that, too.
Trump did a bit more than just believe and propogate. He invented the narrative in the first place. He went on about it for months, he actually prepared the ground prior to the election. He presumably paid other people who work for him do the same, and he organized a protest. He then told a crowd to march on the Capitol.
He didn't just make a few posts online - he was central to the motivation behind the conspiracy theory.
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You may be mistaking my not getting hysterical about Jan 6 with trying to minimize Trump’s rhetoric which allowed for it. I’m in the comfortable position of never having bought or propagated either narrative in question. The election theft not the BLM narrative.
Let’s be honest. Election theft is not a new concept. It’s been a feature of most elections since Bush v Gore and was also featured with Nixon and maybe even Truman v Dewey.
So, let's fix it.
What is wonderful about Trump is his ability to throw all the toys in the box into the air and people can see where they land. Often, the toys get examined for the first time in years, causing reform or reevaluation.
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@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
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@copper said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
I personally think it’s over and am not interested in either maximizing it or minimizing it. So far all our discussion is attempts to minimize it and the retort is like shooting fish in a barrel.
I’d go just as hard at people who try to keep bringing it up. Smacking down the congressional inquiry for example was an important move from my point of view.
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@loki said in Insurrection:
@copper said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
I personally think it’s over and am not interested in either maximizing it or minimizing it. So far all our discussion is attempts to minimize it and the retort is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Well, no. My recollection is that your own rhetoric about the event is hardly ground truth fact, rather your own emotional response to the Capitol being vandalized.
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@horace said in Insurrection:
@loki said in Insurrection:
@copper said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
I personally think it’s over and am not interested in either maximizing it or minimizing it. So far all our discussion is attempts to minimize it and the retort is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Well, no. My recollection is that your own rhetoric about the event is hardly ground truth fact, rather your own emotional response to the Capitol being vandalized.
Oh it was a huge event but I am in fact ready to move on except when folks minimize. I love how talk becomes twisted, if only those damn videos didn’t exist. LOL.
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@loki said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@loki said in Insurrection:
@copper said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
I personally think it’s over and am not interested in either maximizing it or minimizing it. So far all our discussion is attempts to minimize it and the retort is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Well, no. My recollection is that your own rhetoric about the event is hardly ground truth fact, rather your own emotional response to the Capitol being vandalized.
Oh it was a huge event but I am in fact ready to move on except when folks minimize. I love how talk becomes twisted, if only those damn videos didn’t exist. LOL.
The videos are not proof of an existential attack against our democracy. Nor even of "hugeness" of the event.
You might in fact consider it an unfortunate but acceptable consequence of our freedoms, but mostly of leaving the Capitol doors unlocked.
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@horace said in Insurrection:
@loki said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@loki said in Insurrection:
@copper said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
I personally think it’s over and am not interested in either maximizing it or minimizing it. So far all our discussion is attempts to minimize it and the retort is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Well, no. My recollection is that your own rhetoric about the event is hardly ground truth fact, rather your own emotional response to the Capitol being vandalized.
Oh it was a huge event but I am in fact ready to move on except when folks minimize. I love how talk becomes twisted, if only those damn videos didn’t exist. LOL.
The videos are not proof of an existential attack against our democracy. Nor even of "hugeness" of the event.
You might in fact consider it an unfortunate but acceptable consequence of our freedoms, but mostly of leaving the Capitol doors unlocked.
I agree and even was the first to point out that Mayor Bowser called off the National Guard even in the face of good intel. So I agree it should have been preventable. Accountability all around.
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@horace said in Insurrection:
The videos are not proof of an existential attack against our democracy.
People don't say that because it had any hope of succeeding. People say that because that's what the mob actually would want to happen. They literally wanted the government to be overturned. Again I refer you to the videos made at the time for evidence of this.
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@aqua-letifer said in Insurrection:
the government to be overturned.
That covers a lot of ground
Maybe I don't understand "literally "
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@aqua-letifer said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
The videos are not proof of an existential attack against our democracy.
People don't say that because it had any hope of succeeding. People say that because that's what the mob actually would want to happen. They literally wanted the government to be overturned. Again I refer you to the videos made at the time for evidence of this.
People feel passionate about politics. It's not as if Trump's rhetoric created this psychology. How many people hoped Trump would die, or be killed? Heck, even posters on this board admitted to that.
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@aqua-letifer said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
The videos are not proof of an existential attack against our democracy.
People don't say that because it had any hope of succeeding. People say that because that's what the mob actually would want to happen. They literally wanted the government to be overturned. Again I refer you to the videos made at the time for evidence of this.
Yeah, the fact that they were uselessly and cluelessly inept isn't really a good defence.
I was only joking
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@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@aqua-letifer said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
The videos are not proof of an existential attack against our democracy.
People don't say that because it had any hope of succeeding. People say that because that's what the mob actually would want to happen. They literally wanted the government to be overturned. Again I refer you to the videos made at the time for evidence of this.
Yeah, the fact that they were uselessly and cluelessly inept isn't really a good defence.
Shocked faces at people having destructive fantasies over political disagreements aren't very convincing.
Education is extremely important.
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@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@aqua-letifer said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
The videos are not proof of an existential attack against our democracy.
People don't say that because it had any hope of succeeding. People say that because that's what the mob actually would want to happen. They literally wanted the government to be overturned. Again I refer you to the videos made at the time for evidence of this.
Yeah, the fact that they were uselessly and cluelessly inept isn't really a good defence.
Shocked faces at people having destructive fantasies over political disagreements aren't very convincing.
Once again, it's not really the fact that a bunch of incompetent idiots attempted to storm the Capitol that bothers me. It's that an outgoing President egged them on and encouraged them, basically because of his own inability to deal with failure.
Yeah, yeah, he rather half-heartedly condemned them later, but really, he fucked up royally on that day.
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@horace said in Insurrection:
@aqua-letifer said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
The videos are not proof of an existential attack against our democracy.
People don't say that because it had any hope of succeeding. People say that because that's what the mob actually would want to happen. They literally wanted the government to be overturned. Again I refer you to the videos made at the time for evidence of this.
People feel passionate about politics. It's not as if Trump's rhetoric created this psychology. How many people hoped Trump would die, or be killed? Heck, even posters on this board admitted to that.
Shucks, on other boards you even see avatars such as this one...
That's truly a classless bastard, isn't it?...
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@jolly said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@aqua-letifer said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
The videos are not proof of an existential attack against our democracy.
People don't say that because it had any hope of succeeding. People say that because that's what the mob actually would want to happen. They literally wanted the government to be overturned. Again I refer you to the videos made at the time for evidence of this.
People feel passionate about politics. It's not as if Trump's rhetoric created this psychology. How many people hoped Trump would die, or be killed? Heck, even posters on this board admitted to that.
Shucks, on other boards you even see avatars such as this one...
That's truly a classless bastard, isn't it?...
The saddest part is the lack of self awareness. Such small, petty people on the left, I really feel sorry for them.
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@copper said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
egged
By condemning violence
He didn't condemn the violence before it happened, the egging occurred prior to the attack of the useless virgins and the horny Q's.
Time is linear. This isn't a Doctor Who episode where you can go back and change the fact that you've acted like a spoiled baby in front of a bunch of supporters who believe that the Democrats are secretly selling children in Pizza Hut.
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Absolute horseshit.
Of course, that's the narrative CNN wants you to buy. Trump's people obtained a permit for 30,000 people for his January 6th rally. More than that showed up. Estimates of crowd size vary all over the place, with some estimates as high as a million (highly doubtful).
There gave been around 500 people arrested for the riot. Actual number of people in the mob are likely less than 2000.
So you're gonna tell me that the vast majority of people at the rally, were all QAnon, Proud Boys, etc? all ready to storm the Capitol. Any thinking person knows better than that.
Don't be a fucking idiot...
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
Warning: I post things that interest me. Read and comment at your own discretion.
