Insurrection
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@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
I think it's fair to say that lots of people are denying it.
What, that the mob believed Trump's claims that the election was stolen? People are denying that?
No, they're disputing the fact that Trump's claims contributed to starting the riot.
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
I think it's fair to say that lots of people are denying it.
What, that the mob believed Trump's claims that the election was stolen? People are denying that?
No, they're disputing the fact that Trump's claims contributed to starting the riot.
That's just mincing words. Obviously the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump.
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@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
I think it's fair to say that lots of people are denying it.
What, that the mob believed Trump's claims that the election was stolen? People are denying that?
No, they're disputing the fact that Trump's claims contributed to starting the riot.
That's just mincing words. Obviously the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump.
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
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@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
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@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
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@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
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@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
I was only joking
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@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
Sure, and anybody who believes and propagates the fictitious BLM narrative that incited violent mobs to take over neighborhoods, should take some responsibility for that, too.
Education is extremely important.
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@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened.
Mr. Trump condemned the violence
I know that is no fun
But he did
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@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened.
Mr. Trump condemned the violence
I know that is no fun
But he did
@copper said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened.
Mr. Trump condemned the violence
I know that is no fun
Munchausen smiled.
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@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
Sure, and anybody who believes and propagates the fictitious BLM narrative that incited violent mobs to take over neighborhoods, should take some responsibility for that, too.
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
Sure, and anybody who believes and propagates the fictitious BLM narrative that incited violent mobs to take over neighborhoods, should take some responsibility for that, too.
Trump did a bit more than just believe and propogate. He invented the narrative in the first place. He went on about it for months, he actually prepared the ground prior to the election. He presumably paid other people who work for him do the same, and he organized a protest. He then told a crowd to march on the Capitol.
He didn't just make a few posts online - he was central to the motivation behind the conspiracy theory.
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
I was only joking
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@aqua-letifer said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@aqua-letifer said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
what was his goal?
Yeah I'd be interested in hearing this, too.
He can't accept losing and was whining about how unfair it was, to sympathetic ears. Creating his own social bubble in which he didn't really lose.
So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give… The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.
Because if an election's unfair, obviously the most natural thing to do is to go to the Capitol to provide pride and boldness.
His rhetoric certainly contributed to the reckless idiots who stormed the Capitol. I don't think anybody is denying that.
@horace said in Insurrection:
@aqua-letifer said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@aqua-letifer said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
what was his goal?
Yeah I'd be interested in hearing this, too.
He can't accept losing and was whining about how unfair it was, to sympathetic ears. Creating his own social bubble in which he didn't really lose.
So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give… The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.
Because if an election's unfair, obviously the most natural thing to do is to go to the Capitol to provide pride and boldness.
His rhetoric certainly contributed to the reckless idiots who stormed the Capitol. I don't think anybody is denying that.
I will.
There is no advocating violence in any of his statements. There is a call to exert political pressure. And how do you do that? Through peaceful, but very loud protest.
Is there some unwritten law among leftist idiots, that only people who are leftists/socialists/communists who hate America are allowed to protest and attempt to influence politicians?
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@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
Sure, and anybody who believes and propagates the fictitious BLM narrative that incited violent mobs to take over neighborhoods, should take some responsibility for that, too.
Trump did a bit more than just believe and propogate. He invented the narrative in the first place. He went on about it for months, he actually prepared the ground prior to the election. He presumably paid other people who work for him do the same, and he organized a protest. He then told a crowd to march on the Capitol.
He didn't just make a few posts online - he was central to the motivation behind the conspiracy theory.
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
Sure, and anybody who believes and propagates the fictitious BLM narrative that incited violent mobs to take over neighborhoods, should take some responsibility for that, too.
Trump did a bit more than just believe and propogate. He invented the narrative in the first place. He went on about it for months, he actually prepared the ground prior to the election. He presumably paid other people who work for him do the same, and he organized a protest. He then told a crowd to march on the Capitol.
He didn't just make a few posts online - he was central to the motivation behind the conspiracy theory.
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You may be mistaking my not getting hysterical about Jan 6 with trying to minimize Trump’s rhetoric which allowed for it. I’m in the comfortable position of never having bought or propagated either narrative in question. The election theft not the BLM narrative.
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@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
Sure, and anybody who believes and propagates the fictitious BLM narrative that incited violent mobs to take over neighborhoods, should take some responsibility for that, too.
Trump did a bit more than just believe and propogate. He invented the narrative in the first place. He went on about it for months, he actually prepared the ground prior to the election. He presumably paid other people who work for him do the same, and he organized a protest. He then told a crowd to march on the Capitol.
He didn't just make a few posts online - he was central to the motivation behind the conspiracy theory.
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You may be mistaking my not getting hysterical about Jan 6 with trying to minimize Trump’s rhetoric which allowed for it. I’m in the comfortable position of never having bought or propagated either narrative in question. The election theft not the BLM narrative.
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
Sure, and anybody who believes and propagates the fictitious BLM narrative that incited violent mobs to take over neighborhoods, should take some responsibility for that, too.
Trump did a bit more than just believe and propogate. He invented the narrative in the first place. He went on about it for months, he actually prepared the ground prior to the election. He presumably paid other people who work for him do the same, and he organized a protest. He then told a crowd to march on the Capitol.
He didn't just make a few posts online - he was central to the motivation behind the conspiracy theory.
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You may be mistaking my not getting hysterical about Jan 6 with trying to minimize Trump’s rhetoric which allowed for it. I’m in the comfortable position of never having bought or propagated either narrative in question. The election theft not the BLM narrative.
Let’s be honest. Election theft is not a new concept. It’s been a feature of most elections since Bush v Gore and was also featured with Nixon and maybe even Truman v Dewey.
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@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
Sure, and anybody who believes and propagates the fictitious BLM narrative that incited violent mobs to take over neighborhoods, should take some responsibility for that, too.
Trump did a bit more than just believe and propogate. He invented the narrative in the first place. He went on about it for months, he actually prepared the ground prior to the election. He presumably paid other people who work for him do the same, and he organized a protest. He then told a crowd to march on the Capitol.
He didn't just make a few posts online - he was central to the motivation behind the conspiracy theory.
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You may be mistaking my not getting hysterical about Jan 6 with trying to minimize Trump’s rhetoric which allowed for it. I’m in the comfortable position of never having bought or propagated either narrative in question. The election theft not the BLM narrative.
Let’s be honest. Election theft is not a new concept. It’s been a feature of most elections since Bush v Gore and was also featured with Nixon and maybe even Truman v Dewey.
@loki said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
Sure, and anybody who believes and propagates the fictitious BLM narrative that incited violent mobs to take over neighborhoods, should take some responsibility for that, too.
Trump did a bit more than just believe and propogate. He invented the narrative in the first place. He went on about it for months, he actually prepared the ground prior to the election. He presumably paid other people who work for him do the same, and he organized a protest. He then told a crowd to march on the Capitol.
He didn't just make a few posts online - he was central to the motivation behind the conspiracy theory.
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You may be mistaking my not getting hysterical about Jan 6 with trying to minimize Trump’s rhetoric which allowed for it. I’m in the comfortable position of never having bought or propagated either narrative in question. The election theft not the BLM narrative.
Let’s be honest. Election theft is not a new concept. It’s been a feature of most elections since Bush v Gore and was also featured with Nixon and maybe even Truman v Dewey.
So, let's fix it.
What is wonderful about Trump is his ability to throw all the toys in the box into the air and people can see where they land. Often, the toys get examined for the first time in years, causing reform or reevaluation.
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@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
Obviously
It's obvious to you and me. Not everybody agrees.
Then again, Jewish space lasers. Some pretty loose wigs out there.
It's not clear to me who would deny that "the emotion of the mob was about election theft, an idea propagated mostly by Trump".
I'm pretty sure that Trump denies any responsibility for what happened, so therefore so do his most avid supporters.
Also, Kevin McCarthy says Trump didn't provoke them. If I could be bothered, I'm sure we'd find a lot more examples.
That's all a war of rhetoric, where one chooses which words to mince or not. The mob believed a thing that Trump said (and said, and said), got emotional about it, and did something incredibly stupid, illegal, self-defeating, and absurdly easy.
So, weasel words. Clearly Trump should take some responsibility for what happened. That should be obvious to anybody.
Sure, and anybody who believes and propagates the fictitious BLM narrative that incited violent mobs to take over neighborhoods, should take some responsibility for that, too.
Trump did a bit more than just believe and propogate. He invented the narrative in the first place. He went on about it for months, he actually prepared the ground prior to the election. He presumably paid other people who work for him do the same, and he organized a protest. He then told a crowd to march on the Capitol.
He didn't just make a few posts online - he was central to the motivation behind the conspiracy theory.
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
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@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
@copper said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
I personally think it’s over and am not interested in either maximizing it or minimizing it. So far all our discussion is attempts to minimize it and the retort is like shooting fish in a barrel.
I’d go just as hard at people who try to keep bringing it up. Smacking down the congressional inquiry for example was an important move from my point of view.
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@copper said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
I personally think it’s over and am not interested in either maximizing it or minimizing it. So far all our discussion is attempts to minimize it and the retort is like shooting fish in a barrel.
I’d go just as hard at people who try to keep bringing it up. Smacking down the congressional inquiry for example was an important move from my point of view.
@loki said in Insurrection:
@copper said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
I personally think it’s over and am not interested in either maximizing it or minimizing it. So far all our discussion is attempts to minimize it and the retort is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Well, no. My recollection is that your own rhetoric about the event is hardly ground truth fact, rather your own emotional response to the Capitol being vandalized.
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@loki said in Insurrection:
@copper said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
I personally think it’s over and am not interested in either maximizing it or minimizing it. So far all our discussion is attempts to minimize it and the retort is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Well, no. My recollection is that your own rhetoric about the event is hardly ground truth fact, rather your own emotional response to the Capitol being vandalized.
@horace said in Insurrection:
@loki said in Insurrection:
@copper said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
I personally think it’s over and am not interested in either maximizing it or minimizing it. So far all our discussion is attempts to minimize it and the retort is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Well, no. My recollection is that your own rhetoric about the event is hardly ground truth fact, rather your own emotional response to the Capitol being vandalized.
Oh it was a huge event but I am in fact ready to move on except when folks minimize. I love how talk becomes twisted, if only those damn videos didn’t exist. LOL.
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@horace said in Insurrection:
@loki said in Insurrection:
@copper said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
I personally think it’s over and am not interested in either maximizing it or minimizing it. So far all our discussion is attempts to minimize it and the retort is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Well, no. My recollection is that your own rhetoric about the event is hardly ground truth fact, rather your own emotional response to the Capitol being vandalized.
Oh it was a huge event but I am in fact ready to move on except when folks minimize. I love how talk becomes twisted, if only those damn videos didn’t exist. LOL.
@loki said in Insurrection:
@horace said in Insurrection:
@loki said in Insurrection:
@copper said in Insurrection:
@doctor-phibes said in Insurrection:
You can try and minimise this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
You can try and maximize this all you like, but it's pretty obvious what happened.
I personally think it’s over and am not interested in either maximizing it or minimizing it. So far all our discussion is attempts to minimize it and the retort is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Well, no. My recollection is that your own rhetoric about the event is hardly ground truth fact, rather your own emotional response to the Capitol being vandalized.
Oh it was a huge event but I am in fact ready to move on except when folks minimize. I love how talk becomes twisted, if only those damn videos didn’t exist. LOL.
The videos are not proof of an existential attack against our democracy. Nor even of "hugeness" of the event.
You might in fact consider it an unfortunate but acceptable consequence of our freedoms, but mostly of leaving the Capitol doors unlocked.
Education is extremely important.
