Meanwhile, in Israel...

[jon-nyc]

We had a thread on this a few days ago.

[Loki]

We now have data on vaccinated and unvaccinated dead. Probably should build some graphs to drive the point home.

[Jolly]

So, if the Delta variant is not going to kill the vaccinated, why mask?

[jon-nyc]

People in charge of public health don’t usually think that way. They tend to recommend policies that will reduce the spread and save lives.

[Jolly]

[Loki]

@jolly said in Meanwhile, in Israel...:

So, if the Delta variant is not going to kill the vaccinated, why mask?

Imagine if Trump hadn’t made the mask an issue how easy it would have been to get more compliance. There is no real reason the mask is a big deal.

[Jolly]

Imagine if Fauci had told the truth.

1. About mask efficacy.
2. About the origins of the disease.
3. About funding gain-of-function research at a lab well-known for previous biohazard leaks.
4. About the deadliness of the Delta variant.
5. About the numbers needed for herd immunity.
6. About asymptomatic spread.

[Loki]

@jolly said in Meanwhile, in Israel...:

Imagine if Fauci had told the truth.

1. About mask efficacy.
2. About the origins of the disease.
3. About funding gain-of-function research at a lab well-known for previous biohazard leaks.
4. About the deadliness of the Delta variant.
5. About the numbers needed for herd immunity.
6. About asymptomatic spread.

And then compare Fauci to Trump and it all becomes clear.

[Jolly]

As mud.

Fauci is an infectious disease expert. Trump is not. In fact, Trump was right about more than Dr. Fauci was, after most of the smoke has cleared.

[Loki]

@jolly said in Meanwhile, in Israel...:

As mud.

Fauci is an infectious disease expert. Trump is not. In fact, Trump was right about more than Dr. Fauci was, after most of the smoke has cleared.

Again I repeat making Fauci the boogeyman is farsical. I guess getting 35% of the hard core to buy the malarkey is one thing, if it’s not a ceiling I’d like proof.

[Jolly]

Fauci lied. A lot. The further this goes, the more he looks like a political weasel.

[Copper]

@loki said in Meanwhile, in Israel...:

Again I repeat making Fauci the boogeyman is farsical.

Isn't he the guy who told Mr. Trump that masks are not needed?

[Loki]

@copper said in Meanwhile, in Israel...:

@loki said in Meanwhile, in Israel...:

Again I repeat making Fauci the boogeyman is farsical.

Isn't he the guy who told Mr. Trump that masks are not needed?

So enough medical personnel could have them? Why doesn’t that smack everyone across the face as obvious. I am truly mystified when I have to debate this, like reality is subject to debate.

[Copper]

@loki said in Meanwhile, in Israel...:

So enough medical personnel could have them?

What was the timing on that?

I seem to remember that he said they were not needed - period.

Then much later it was revealed that he was lying to protect the supply for medical workers. And obviously to discredit Mr. Trump. Everyone understands this, there is no debate needed.

[Jolly]

@copper said in Meanwhile, in Israel...:

@loki said in Meanwhile, in Israel...:

So enough medical personnel could have them?

What was the timing on that?

I seem to remember that he said they were not needed - period.

Then much later it was revealed that he was lying to protect the supply for medical workers. And obviously to discredit Mr. Trump. Everyone understands this, there is no debate needed.

You are correct.

[LuFins Dad]

The emails seem to indicate that he was honestly against the masks. Not to protect supply, but he honestly didn’t think they helped. He later changed his mind. Fair enough.

He has still admitted lying and manipulating the narrative and the American people. He’s a piece of crap. A bureaucrat that for one brief period of his career spanning 5 decades is relevant in the public eye.

[Horace]

@lufins-dad said in Meanwhile, in Israel...:

He has still admitted lying and manipulating the narrative and the American people. He’s a piece of crap. A bureaucrat that for one brief period of his career spanning 5 decades is relevant in the public eye.

A bureaucrat that America was willing and eager to bestow the mantle of "world leading pandemic expert" on, when his time came. Anybody without allegiance to his expertise was an anti-science nutter and probably a Trump supporter.

[Aqua Letifer]

@loki said in Meanwhile, in Israel...:

I am truly mystified when I have to debate this, like reality is subject to debate.

That's definitely a clear takeaway from the past 18 months.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, in Israel...:

@loki said in Meanwhile, in Israel...:

I am truly mystified when I have to debate this, like reality is subject to debate.

That's definitely a clear takeaway from the past 18 months.

Depends on what reality actually exists.

The one that the TPTB want you to believe or what actually exists....

[Horace]

Which real facts are we supposed to consider undebatable, again?