Happy Father’s Day to all
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@doctor-phibes said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
Being pro-Trump isn't facile at all, of course.
Simple judgment call between him and an opponent.
wrote on 21 Jun 2021, 03:12 last edited by@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@doctor-phibes said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
Being pro-Trump isn't facile at all, of course.
Simple judgment call between him and an opponent.
There's a difference between enthusiastically voting for somebody and sitting in abject despair for 1/2 an hour after ticking a box. The latter is not pro-Trump, so much as anti-something else.
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The only person I can think of who I consider both Trumpist and a free thinker is Peter Thiel, but he's not much of a public intellectual. Only in the sense that he keeps his opinions pretty close most of the time (GOP convention speech notwithstanding)
wrote on 21 Jun 2021, 03:14 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
The only person I can think of who I consider both Trumpist and a free thinker is Peter Thiel, but he's not much of a public intellectual. Only in the sense that he keeps his opinions pretty close most of the time (GOP convention speech notwithstanding)
What has Peter theil said that makes him a Trumpist?
VDH is a public intellectual and wrote The Case for Trump. Trumpist?
I won’t ask you to attempt to define Trumpist. I’m just trying to triangulate it.
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@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
The only person I can think of who I consider both Trumpist and a free thinker is Peter Thiel, but he's not much of a public intellectual. Only in the sense that he keeps his opinions pretty close most of the time (GOP convention speech notwithstanding)
What has Peter theil said that makes him a Trumpist?
VDH is a public intellectual and wrote The Case for Trump. Trumpist?
I won’t ask you to attempt to define Trumpist. I’m just trying to triangulate it.
wrote on 21 Jun 2021, 03:14 last edited by jon-nyc@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
What has Peter theil said that makes him a Trumpist?
Gave a prime time speech for Trump at the GOP convention in 2016. Perhaps the only non-politician to do so who was not a grifter or a nut.
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@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications.
Be that as it may, that's not the main point. They actually see craziness and disfunction on both sides and are loathe to associate with either side, even in private.
The ones that truly switch sides are pretty much uninteresting tools, like Dave Rubin or Jennifer Rubin.
wrote on 21 Jun 2021, 03:16 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications.
Be that as it may, that's not the main point. They actually see craziness and disfunction on both sides and are loathe to associate with either side, even in private.
Being above a binary political leaning is a fine personal preference but again it’s facile to say both sides suck. And a failure of thinking entirely to say both sides suck equally.
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@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
The only person I can think of who I consider both Trumpist and a free thinker is Peter Thiel, but he's not much of a public intellectual. Only in the sense that he keeps his opinions pretty close most of the time (GOP convention speech notwithstanding)
What has Peter theil said that makes him a Trumpist?
VDH is a public intellectual and wrote The Case for Trump. Trumpist?
I won’t ask you to attempt to define Trumpist. I’m just trying to triangulate it.
wrote on 21 Jun 2021, 03:17 last edited by@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
VDH is a public intellectual and wrote The Case for Trump. Trumpist?
I would have to read more of him. That's not a cop out, its just that I mostly read him in the pre-Trump days when his beat was history.
But to your point, maybe McCarthy fits that bill.
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@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications.
Be that as it may, that's not the main point. They actually see craziness and disfunction on both sides and are loathe to associate with either side, even in private.
Being above a binary political leaning is a fine personal preference but again it’s facile to say both sides suck. And a failure of thinking entirely to say both sides suck equally.
wrote on 21 Jun 2021, 03:18 last edited by@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications.
Be that as it may, that's not the main point. They actually see craziness and disfunction on both sides and are loathe to associate with either side, even in private.
Being above a binary political leaning is a fine personal preference but again it’s facile to say both sides suck. And a failure of thinking entirely to say both sides suck equally.
Yes, we've had this conversation a bunch of times, Quirt.
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@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
What has Peter theil said that makes him a Trumpist?
Gave a prime time speech for Trump at the GOP convention in 2016. Perhaps the only non-politician to do so who was not a grifter or a nut.
wrote on 21 Jun 2021, 03:19 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
What has Peter theil said that makes him a Trumpist?
Gave a prime time speech for Trump at the GOP convention in 2016. Perhaps the only non-politician to do so who was not a grifter or a nut.
Ok so that means he cared about the election results, preferred Trump, and did what he could to convince others. Trumpist remains dismissive and ill defined.
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@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications.
Be that as it may, that's not the main point. They actually see craziness and disfunction on both sides and are loathe to associate with either side, even in private.
Being above a binary political leaning is a fine personal preference but again it’s facile to say both sides suck. And a failure of thinking entirely to say both sides suck equally.
Yes, we've had this conversation a bunch of times, Quirt.
wrote on 21 Jun 2021, 03:22 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications.
Be that as it may, that's not the main point. They actually see craziness and disfunction on both sides and are loathe to associate with either side, even in private.
Being above a binary political leaning is a fine personal preference but again it’s facile to say both sides suck. And a failure of thinking entirely to say both sides suck equally.
Yes, we've had this conversation a bunch of times, Quirt.
I suggest in those conversations, you were both wrong, with Quiet being right only when his points overlapped with what I just wrote.
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wrote on 21 Jun 2021, 10:13 last edited by jon-nyc
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wrote on 21 Jun 2021, 10:58 last edited by
Trumpist, Tea-bagger, etc.
Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
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wrote on 21 Jun 2021, 16:12 last edited by
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@doctor-phibes said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@jolly said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
Trumpist, Tea-bagger, etc.
You forgot woketard
I consider that a complement for most of those folks.