Happy Father’s Day to all
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I would go as far as to say that a free thinker today almost definitionally has to be anti-Trump and anti-Woke.
Like me and Sam. lol
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
I would go as far as to say that a free thinker today almost definitionally has to be anti-Trump and anti-Woke.
Like me and Sam. lol
It’s facile to be Anti Trump. Never Trump, on the other hand, is mindless.
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Being pro-Trump isn't facile at all, of course.
I was only joking
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@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
God bless free thinkers, most of whom lean right these days.
You think? IDW tend to lean left.
One thing can be said with certainty - almost none of them are Trumpists. And zero of them are woke.
No none of them are Trumpists, whatever exactly that means. Certainly if asked, they would deny being Trumpists, along with any other free thinker. And when I say lean right, I mean within the context of pop cultural wokeism, which you may or may not agree is pervasive currently.
Sure, if you define anti-woke as "leans right", then they all fit that definition. But if you defined anti-trumpist as "leans left" then they'd fit that definition too.
I'm thinking of, off the top of my head, Sam Harris, Weinstein bros (and Heather Heying), Steven Pinker, Andrew Sullivan, Anne Applebaum, David Frum, Jonathan Haidt, Niall Ferguson, Claire Lehman (and most of Quilette crew), Geoffrey Miller, Michael Shermer, John McWhorter, Nicolas Kristakis, Douglas Murray, Bari Weiss, Thomas Chatterton Williams, Coleman Hughes etc.
All anti-woke, mostly (not all) left leaning, most anti-Trump.
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
God bless free thinkers, most of whom lean right these days.
You think? IDW tend to lean left.
One thing can be said with certainty - almost none of them are Trumpists. And zero of them are woke.
No none of them are Trumpists, whatever exactly that means. Certainly if asked, they would deny being Trumpists, along with any other free thinker. And when I say lean right, I mean within the context of pop cultural wokeism, which you may or may not agree is pervasive currently.
Sure, if you define anti-woke as "leans right", then they all fit that definition. But if you defined anti-trumpist as "leans left" then they'd fit that definition too.
I'm thinking of, off the top of my head, Sam Harris, Weinstein bros (and Heather Heying), Steven Pinker, Andrew Sullivan, Anne Applebaum, David Frum, Jonathan Haidt, Niall Ferguson, Claire Lehman (and most of Quilette crew), Geoffrey Miller, Michael Shermer, John McWhorter, Nicolas Kristakis, Douglas Murray, Bari Weiss, Thomas Chatterton Williams, Coleman Hughes etc.
All anti-woke, mostly (not all) left leaning, most anti-Trump.
Yes of course they are all classic liberals and grew up in a culture where most of the bright ideas came from the left. There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications. Meanwhile, I tend to agree with Harris or Weinstein on cultural issues. And I have no baggage associated with identifying as right leaning.
Education is extremely important.
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Being pro-Trump isn't facile at all, of course.
@doctor-phibes said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
Being pro-Trump isn't facile at all, of course.
Simple judgment call between him and an opponent.
Education is extremely important.
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The only person I can think of who I consider both Trumpist and a free thinker is Peter Thiel, but he's not much of a public intellectual. Only in the sense that he keeps his opinions pretty close most of the time (GOP convention speech notwithstanding)
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
God bless free thinkers, most of whom lean right these days.
You think? IDW tend to lean left.
One thing can be said with certainty - almost none of them are Trumpists. And zero of them are woke.
No none of them are Trumpists, whatever exactly that means. Certainly if asked, they would deny being Trumpists, along with any other free thinker. And when I say lean right, I mean within the context of pop cultural wokeism, which you may or may not agree is pervasive currently.
Sure, if you define anti-woke as "leans right", then they all fit that definition. But if you defined anti-trumpist as "leans left" then they'd fit that definition too.
I'm thinking of, off the top of my head, Sam Harris, Weinstein bros (and Heather Heying), Steven Pinker, Andrew Sullivan, Anne Applebaum, David Frum, Jonathan Haidt, Niall Ferguson, Claire Lehman (and most of Quilette crew), Geoffrey Miller, Michael Shermer, John McWhorter, Nicolas Kristakis, Douglas Murray, Bari Weiss, Thomas Chatterton Williams, Coleman Hughes etc.
All anti-woke, mostly (not all) left leaning, most anti-Trump.
Yes of course they are all classic liberals and grew up in a culture where most of the bright ideas came from the left. There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications. Meanwhile, I tend to agree with Harris or Weinstein on cultural issues. And I have no baggage associated with identifying as right leaning.
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications.
Be that as it may, that's not the main point. They actually see craziness and disfunction on both sides and are loathe to associate with either side, even in private.
The ones that truly switch sides are pretty much uninteresting tools, like Dave Rubin or Jennifer Rubin.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@doctor-phibes said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
Being pro-Trump isn't facile at all, of course.
Simple judgment call between him and an opponent.
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@doctor-phibes said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
Being pro-Trump isn't facile at all, of course.
Simple judgment call between him and an opponent.
There's a difference between enthusiastically voting for somebody and sitting in abject despair for 1/2 an hour after ticking a box. The latter is not pro-Trump, so much as anti-something else.
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The only person I can think of who I consider both Trumpist and a free thinker is Peter Thiel, but he's not much of a public intellectual. Only in the sense that he keeps his opinions pretty close most of the time (GOP convention speech notwithstanding)
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
The only person I can think of who I consider both Trumpist and a free thinker is Peter Thiel, but he's not much of a public intellectual. Only in the sense that he keeps his opinions pretty close most of the time (GOP convention speech notwithstanding)
What has Peter theil said that makes him a Trumpist?
VDH is a public intellectual and wrote The Case for Trump. Trumpist?
I won’t ask you to attempt to define Trumpist. I’m just trying to triangulate it.
Education is extremely important.
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@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
The only person I can think of who I consider both Trumpist and a free thinker is Peter Thiel, but he's not much of a public intellectual. Only in the sense that he keeps his opinions pretty close most of the time (GOP convention speech notwithstanding)
What has Peter theil said that makes him a Trumpist?
VDH is a public intellectual and wrote The Case for Trump. Trumpist?
I won’t ask you to attempt to define Trumpist. I’m just trying to triangulate it.
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
What has Peter theil said that makes him a Trumpist?
Gave a prime time speech for Trump at the GOP convention in 2016. Perhaps the only non-politician to do so who was not a grifter or a nut.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications.
Be that as it may, that's not the main point. They actually see craziness and disfunction on both sides and are loathe to associate with either side, even in private.
The ones that truly switch sides are pretty much uninteresting tools, like Dave Rubin or Jennifer Rubin.
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications.
Be that as it may, that's not the main point. They actually see craziness and disfunction on both sides and are loathe to associate with either side, even in private.
Being above a binary political leaning is a fine personal preference but again it’s facile to say both sides suck. And a failure of thinking entirely to say both sides suck equally.
Education is extremely important.
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@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
The only person I can think of who I consider both Trumpist and a free thinker is Peter Thiel, but he's not much of a public intellectual. Only in the sense that he keeps his opinions pretty close most of the time (GOP convention speech notwithstanding)
What has Peter theil said that makes him a Trumpist?
VDH is a public intellectual and wrote The Case for Trump. Trumpist?
I won’t ask you to attempt to define Trumpist. I’m just trying to triangulate it.
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
VDH is a public intellectual and wrote The Case for Trump. Trumpist?
I would have to read more of him. That's not a cop out, its just that I mostly read him in the pre-Trump days when his beat was history.
But to your point, maybe McCarthy fits that bill.
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@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications.
Be that as it may, that's not the main point. They actually see craziness and disfunction on both sides and are loathe to associate with either side, even in private.
Being above a binary political leaning is a fine personal preference but again it’s facile to say both sides suck. And a failure of thinking entirely to say both sides suck equally.
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications.
Be that as it may, that's not the main point. They actually see craziness and disfunction on both sides and are loathe to associate with either side, even in private.
Being above a binary political leaning is a fine personal preference but again it’s facile to say both sides suck. And a failure of thinking entirely to say both sides suck equally.
Yes, we've had this conversation a bunch of times, Quirt.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
What has Peter theil said that makes him a Trumpist?
Gave a prime time speech for Trump at the GOP convention in 2016. Perhaps the only non-politician to do so who was not a grifter or a nut.
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
What has Peter theil said that makes him a Trumpist?
Gave a prime time speech for Trump at the GOP convention in 2016. Perhaps the only non-politician to do so who was not a grifter or a nut.
Ok so that means he cared about the election results, preferred Trump, and did what he could to convince others. Trumpist remains dismissive and ill defined.
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@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications.
Be that as it may, that's not the main point. They actually see craziness and disfunction on both sides and are loathe to associate with either side, even in private.
Being above a binary political leaning is a fine personal preference but again it’s facile to say both sides suck. And a failure of thinking entirely to say both sides suck equally.
Yes, we've had this conversation a bunch of times, Quirt.
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@jon-nyc said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@horace said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
There’s a huge amount of baggage, personal and social, for such people to switch identifications.
Be that as it may, that's not the main point. They actually see craziness and disfunction on both sides and are loathe to associate with either side, even in private.
Being above a binary political leaning is a fine personal preference but again it’s facile to say both sides suck. And a failure of thinking entirely to say both sides suck equally.
Yes, we've had this conversation a bunch of times, Quirt.
I suggest in those conversations, you were both wrong, with Quiet being right only when his points overlapped with what I just wrote.
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Trumpist, Tea-bagger, etc.
Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
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@doctor-phibes said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
@jolly said in Happy Father’s Day to all:
Trumpist, Tea-bagger, etc.
You forgot woketard
I consider that a complement for most of those folks.
