What to tip?
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You tip $20 for a delivery? Wow. That sounds excessive to me.
Nobody here tips a delivery guy, except maybe rounding to the next whole number. And that's a good thing. Just pay people a decent salary and stop the tipping BS. It's rather condescending if you think about it.
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@Klaus said in What to tip?:
You tip $20 for a delivery? Wow. That sounds excessive to me.
Nobody here tips a delivery guy, except maybe rounding to the next whole number. And that's a good thing. Just pay people a decent salary and stop the tipping BS. It's rather condescending if you think about it.
You've never had that job, so you should stop bullshitting about what you don't understand.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in What to tip?:
@Klaus said in What to tip?:
You tip $20 for a delivery? Wow. That sounds excessive to me.
Nobody here tips a delivery guy, except maybe rounding to the next whole number. And that's a good thing. Just pay people a decent salary and stop the tipping BS. It's rather condescending if you think about it.
You've never had that job, so you should stop bullshitting about what you don't understand.
Well, you are misinformed. I understand the matter quite well, and I did my share of work in such kinds of jobs.
Ask 10 delivery guys here whether they'd swap their current terms with the American tipping model, and you'd get 11 resounding "Hell no!".
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@Klaus said in What to tip?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in What to tip?:
@Klaus said in What to tip?:
You tip $20 for a delivery? Wow. That sounds excessive to me.
Nobody here tips a delivery guy, except maybe rounding to the next whole number. And that's a good thing. Just pay people a decent salary and stop the tipping BS. It's rather condescending if you think about it.
You've never had that job, so you should stop bullshitting about what you don't understand.
Well, you are misinformed. I understand the matter quite well, and I did my share of work in such kinds of jobs.
Ask 10 delivery guys here whether they'd swap their current terms with the American tipping model, and you'd get 11 resounding "Hell no!".
You did those jobs in Germany. And the people you'd ask never worked here.
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My brother-in-law worked for 40 years as a Pizza Delivery Driver and lived a solid middle class life off of tips in Cincinnati...
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@Aqua-Letifer said in What to tip?:
You did those jobs in Germany. And the people you'd ask never worked here.
True, just as you probably never worked over here.
You can say a lot in favor of American economic strength, average GDPs and whatnot. But according to basically any reasonable measure you can think of, a delivery guy is way better off here, with a stable and somewhat decent income, a contract that can only be terminated for good reasons, and a health insurance that will pay a 500.000 Euro medical procedure without him or her paying a single cent.
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Yeah, the health insurance and benefits thing is definitely better over there. But guaranteed you make more here.
Please love yourself.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in What to tip?:
Yeah, the health insurance and benefits thing is definitely better over there. But guaranteed you make more here.
You sure? Let's see. I looked up what a delivery guy for DHL makes on average.
Average salary is around 35K Euro per year. That salary includes full health insurance with no deductibles, pension insurance that pays around 60% of your salary after you retire, unemployment insurance that pays your salary for 12 months if you are fired, a nursing insurance that will pay for a nursing home etc., and a contract that only allows DHL to fire you if you do something stupid or if they run out of money. Also, you can afford to send all your kids to the best college in the country.
How does that compare to a similar job in the US?
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I made about 35k equivalent salary when I delivered, and that was in a very rural area and when I started, before I got a line cook's wages in addition to delivery fees and tips. Also, it was common practice not to declare tips.
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Wait, DHL is a package and freight service. The equivalent is UPS. They start at 42K and the pay increases with seniority up to $110K or so with 25 years. And they aren’t tipped except for holidays...
What Aqua and most of the US contingent are discussing is food delivery. Generally meal delivery, but also the newer phenomenon of grocery delivery.
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We’ve been taking out once a week at restaurants, some we would would normally eat at. I’ve been leaving a 20% tip when I go pick stuff up. Even at the pizza places that I didn’t used to tip at for carry out. It’s interesting, one of the smaller places said they are actually doing a better business now with takeout than they ever did with sit-down.
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Why are we being so empathetic and supportive of restaurants, but nothing for other businesses? Have you ordered flowers from your favorite florist? Bought a gift card from your hair salon for after this over? Ordered a Bosendorfer from your local piano store?
I’m only partially teasing. Why so much love for restaurants and not as much for other businesses? The restaurant biz has always been high risk - low reward to begin with, and coming out of this, I think you will see a massive shift. I think the inexpensive “convenience food” places will shift to smaller layouts designed for takeout with less sit down business. I am talking about Five Guys, Chipotle, etc...I think the moderate prices chains that are dependent on high volume and table turnover (TGI Friday’s, Outback, Olive Garden, etc...) are dead in the water without a MAJOR overhaul and reimagining, and your finer sit down restaurants are going to have to reduce seating, meaning there will have to be corresponding increases in price. Your $40 per plate steakhouse just became $60 per plate.
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My prediction: some higher-end restaurants usually accustomed to a lot of sit-down income might try to invest in better take-out presentation as a way to justify their business.
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@LuFins-Dad said in What to tip?:
Why are we being so empathetic and supportive of restaurants, but nothing for other businesses? Have you ordered flowers from your favorite florist? Bought a gift card from your hair salon for after this over? Ordered a Bosendorfer from your local piano store?
I’m only partially teasing. Why so much love for restaurants and not as much for other businesses? The restaurant biz has always been high risk - low reward to begin with, and coming out of this, I think you will see a massive shift. I think the inexpensive “convenience food” places will shift to smaller layouts designed for takeout with less sit down business. I am talking about Five Guys, Chipotle, etc...I think the moderate prices chains that are dependent on high volume and table turnover (TGI Friday’s, Outback, Olive Garden, etc...) are dead in the water without a MAJOR overhaul and reimagining, and your finer sit down restaurants are going to have to reduce seating, meaning there will have to be corresponding increases in price. Your $40 per plate steakhouse just became $60 per plate.
That's right, good question.
At least the restaurant is open.
It is interesting that they get the sympathy.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in What to tip?:
My prediction: some higher-end restaurants usually accustomed to a lot of sit-down income might try to invest in better take-out presentation as a way to justify their business.
There are some high price restaurants that are doing just like that. There was a couple in Chicago, USA, which are serving drive up/pick up meals with heating and serving instructions with the meals cost between $25 and $50USD per person. They did some meal and had abut 1000 orders.
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@LuFins-Dad said in What to tip?:
Why are we being so empathetic and supportive of restaurants, but nothing for other businesses? Have you ordered flowers from your favorite florist? Bought a gift card from your hair salon for after this over? Ordered a Bosendorfer from your local piano store?
Mrs. Phibes bought two $100 gift certificates from the local hair salon, and I am personally doing everything in my power to keep the local liquor store turning over a nice profit. It's a big sacrifice, but what the heck.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in What to tip?:
. It's a big sacrifice, but what the heck.
Nice job by Mrs. Phibes. I'm sure the salon welcomed it.
Me/rry/Christmas
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@LuFins-Dad said in What to tip?:
@Doctor-Phibes said in What to tip?:
. It's a big sacrifice, but what the heck.
Nice job by Mrs. Phibes. I'm sure the salon welcomed it.
The woman who owns it has been great - she gave us toilet paper and hand sanitizer in exchange for Mrs. Phibes doing some sewing for her, and went online with us when Mrs. Phibes cut my hair as well as lending us some clippers. She says she needs to come up with $10K a month to cover rent. I figure buying some gift certificates is the least we can do.
